DA vs MA

[BluBerry]

sir.

Glad to see JG5 getting the band back together. 

Yeah me too. 
Fly with us sometime!

[Nath[BDP]]

Always preferred the spontaneity and improvisation of the MA

[Fulcrum]

Yeah me too. 
Fly with us sometime!

Sure! Always love flying the 152 or other German iron. I'm not on as much now but I'll ping ya if I see ya.

[Bear76]

6-8 people 2 fields , multiple plane types , rolling 1-1 on fights , multiple e -states, Many fights per hour., that's a useful learning experience , lot of fun too. Try it with some squaddies you might be pleasantly surprised

Totally agree 

[BaldEagl]

Both the MA and the DA will allow you to push to extreme limits but in different ways.

I've played for score and rank in the past and for the most part it's easy to do.  A highly ranked MA player isn't nessesarily a great pilot.  He simply uses the rules of score/rank to his greatest advantage.  A great DA pilot is a great pilot period.  He can't run or even extend except minimally to attempt a reset but he might suck in the MA depending on his gaming style.  I've seen many many highly ranked MA pilots over the years who are literally afraid of a DA challenge because they know the truth.

In the MA SA is as important, if not more so, than pilot skill.  I don't play for score or rank anymore and spend the vast majority of my flight time fighting where the Bish have the worst odds and I generally do that in early to mid war planes.  My score sucks so am I that much worse than I used to be?  No, because it's harder to fight and live against ten or fifteen guys than it is against two or three.  Instead of being in the DA working on my ACM I'm instead in the MA working on my SA and my ACM secondarily.  You'll never see a highly ranked player play that way.

I've called players out to the DA and been called out to the DA and rarely if ever lost.  What started out as contentious disputes generally ended with us leaving the DA as new friends.  If you pass up those opportunities you pass up the chance to meet good people and possibly make new friends.

Both have their place in the game and each allows you to push the limits if you care to.  Each will well prepare you for other aspects of the game (scenarios, snapshots, etc.) but using all the tools available to you will prepare you the best.  I've been in several scenarios in the past few years and have amazed myself at my ability to kill and not be killed against bad odds in disadvantaged aircraft and/or disadvantaged positions or both.  I attribute that to what I've learned in the DA and what I've learned in the MA and don't think I'd be where I am without both, although I have a long way to go to be where I want to be.

I highly encourage anyone who doesn't regularily DA to enter the next dueling tournament.  It's generally a friendly, adrenalin pumping good time and you'll quickly learn how well you adapt to and push the limits of various aircraft.  No one's asking you to stop playing in the MA or to change your preferred fighting style but if you're truly interested in improving give it a try.  The current plan is to start after the holidays and in a double elimination format again.

[wpeters]

When is the next dueling Tournement

[BaldEagl]

When is the next dueling Tournement

Probably start in mid-January with sign-ups starting right after the first but that's subject to change by a week or two either way.

[Fulcrum]

Looking forward to it.  Maybe get slightly farther this year than last but we will see.

[iKo]

DA tactics.
The point of the DA is to have a fair 1 v 1 fight. Same alt, same plane, same gas, same ammo load out. The reason why so many people call out pilots in the MA to fight in the DA is because IMO the actual skill of fighting, acm knowledge, and plane knowledge is accurately depicted in a 1 v 1 fight. The general amount of pilots in the MA can BnZ and pick easy kills and run away all day long. But do these players have what it takes to actually win fights 1 v 1 when the conditions are the same. The general amount of new players believe that the DA is a ground and pound, slowest wins, who can our turn the other guy. However, the DA is perfect for learning all of the styles. You do not have to turn n burn every fight, if you know how to use E correctly in the same planes you can eventually BnZ them (ask EACE). the DA helps you learn how the planes actually fly. It helps you learn how to aim, it helps you learn how to manage E, and stalls, It helps you learn how to use the plane to its full potential, it helps you learn how to use reverse tactics, and helps you learn how to use your views correctly. The only thing you cannot do in the DA is run/HO. So this is why a lot of players challenge others to the DA, they want to see if they player actually knows more skills other than running away or HOing every chance when they lose advantage. I love going to the DA because believe it or not, it will make you 10X a better MA pilot. I have flown and fought against many of the best sticks in AH in the DA, believe me, i had my fair share of getting PWNed. But I learned from them through flying in the DA and learning real ACM, and throttle control. Now in the MA I know how to handle most situations given my E and their E, how to out maneuver them and how to gain the advantage, all from fighting top sticks in the DA 1 v 1. I think most of the MA sticks who do not fight in the DA, do not have half as much ACM skill or ability to win fights without an advantage. If your only style is BnZ and you do not ever learn ACM or reverse tactics. You are kidding yourself if you think you are a top AH stick.

Well said  

Main reason i fly the DA is because of the time it takes to get a fight and i am looking for fights not kills and score. The more I fight and see the situation the better i get its like practice practice practice. Ask anyone that fly's DA, i fly all the planes and have 90% of them 90% down and work on new planes all the time. When i know how to fly a plane and i see you in that plane i also know all its tricks and capabilities and find them easier to kill. When i go to the MA i just isolate my targets (which is an SA also) and find that most are not that hard to beat if they fight and don't run. See in the MA you try and stay alive most of the time in the DA i fly till i die most of the time and get so much more stick time. If I flew the MA it would be for score and not to die which would take forever. SA is not just while your flying it is also picking where to fly before you even take off and if you have all around good SA you should really be landing 20 kills at a time and never re plane till you log off. main reson is it just takes to much time for me in the MA to be fun for me

[FiLtH]

The DA lake is just a mini MA really. The dueling areas are different, especially in designed duels. The MA needs the skills of the duelist when SA fails and he becomes outnumbered. Alot of dueling style tactics, especially on the deck, getting the quick kill, so he can move on to the next guy or get out of Dodge. The DA needs the patience of the MA, if he seriously wants to rack up a better ranking, rather than killing a bunch and dying each run. I used to do quite well 1v1 dueling, but now do better MA style. I still bite off more than I can chew but I have gain a little more patience(sp) over the years.

  The guy who is better is the one who can play both ways well. A guy who always wants alt and speed will likely live longer,but doesnt challenge himself much. You rarely see someone say nice pik! and mean it seriously. You do see a guy in a 3 on 1 and kill all the enemies in a knife fight and few would deny that guy a wtg!

  2 worlds

[BiPoLaR]

Having an alt advantage does not mean you own....flying a spit 8 against a 109 does not mean you pwn

Dont do it.

[Bruv119]

flying a 109 and doing a 1 trick overshoot manoeuvre equally does not mean you own.   

Then using it as an excuse when you stall and crash it into the ground.   

ALL planes can perform excellent ACM whether it be spitfire or 109 or A20.

[ReVo]

flying a 109 and doing a 1 trick overshoot manoeuvre equally does not mean you own.   

Then using it as an excuse when you stall and crash it into the ground.   

ALL planes can perform excellent ACM whether it be spitfire or 109 or A20.

ACM does not = Altitude
And of course the Spitfire can perform excellent ACM, it's so insanely easy to fly in this game that even a two day old pilot can seem like he knows what he's doing.

[Debrody]

ACM does not = Altitude
And of course the Spitfire can perform excellent ACM, it's so insanely easy to fly in this game that even a two day old pilot can seem like he knows what he's doing.

The spit aint as easy  
When i was hopping into one, i wasnt feeling invincible  
I was like the untouchable god of turnfight       I could do anything and won, even though im absolutely inexperienced in that easy mode training wheel ride.

Try turning in a 190 instead of vulching in it, then talk about being one-trick 

[mechanic]

There is nothing to stop anyone from having random alt/plane/numbers fights in the DA. If all you do in the DA is setup equal fights then you are to blame for the lack of variety, not the arena itself. The only differences between the MA and the DA is that in the DA you usually know who you are fighting and you know that they will fight to the death. Victory or death in the DA as compared to victory or run home in the MA. When there is no option to retreat people fight harder. The cornered animal syndrome. Both places are fun.