Author Topic: P47 WEP duration  (Read 1767 times)

Offline J.A.W.

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Re: P47 WEP duration
« Reply #15 on: November 24, 2013, 04:48:40 AM »
A, Don't think so,
since the ground crew would be pleased as bloody punch to be part of bagging  a fat rat like that..

B, Well, funny you ask, I run a DOHC 4V Benz, & that loves a good thrashing too..

However, my personal preference is for hammering hi-po 2-stroke motorcycles..

i.e. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1N5rm0glYwY  [Rotate..L.O.L.]

My relative Bob Spurdle was C.O. of 80 Sqd when they moved from Spitfires to Tempests, & he concurred with his countryman Ron's findings..

He reckoned it was like having a Gov't sponsored hot-rod to thrash..
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Re: P47 WEP duration
« Reply #16 on: November 24, 2013, 05:27:08 AM »
A, Don't think so,
since the ground crew would be pleased as bloody punch to be part of bagging  a fat rat like that..

He's still a mechanic, and the pilot is still abusing the engine past 1) what is safe and 2) what is good for the engine, causing excessive wear and tear, burning through spare parts, increasing the general load on support personnel and the logistics train.

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B, Well, funny you ask, I run a DOHC 4V Benz, & that loves a good thrashing too..

However, my personal preference is for hammering hi-po 2-stroke motorcycles..

My relative Bob Spurdle was C.O. of 80 Sqd when they moved from Spitfires to Tempests, & he concurred with his countryman Ron's findings..

He reckoned it was like having a Gov't sponsored hot-rod to thrash..

That's not what I asked you. I rather aggressively don't care what you drive, or how poorly you treat your possessions. So I'll ask again, and hopefully you'll give me a strait answer next time.

Do you or do you not do major work on engines?
You started this thread and it was obviously about your want and desire in spite of your use of 'we' and Google.

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Re: P47 WEP duration
« Reply #17 on: November 24, 2013, 05:36:01 AM »
'Strait' back at ya, T-A,  - hell yes..

It aint bloody rocket science, ah, wait, yes it is..
-  actually the key to the hi-po 2-stroke was in fact, being
paid for by uncle Adolf via V 1 cruise missile development at Peenemunde..

Bagging any Nazi jet, [ & Tempests got the full set, plus all the long-nose FW types flying] got you big kudos, T-A , just like in Aces High..

Those big Sabres were specifically designed & built to take it..

Unlike those fat, lazy radial transport mills..
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Offline bozon

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Re: P47 WEP duration
« Reply #18 on: November 24, 2013, 07:07:17 AM »
Those big Sabres were specifically designed & built to take it..
Those big Sabers were notoriously unreliable and difficult to maintain.
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Re: P47 WEP duration
« Reply #19 on: November 24, 2013, 07:08:24 AM »
In AH it's actually purely time based. This may seem as if I'm only nitpicking, but the difference is that reducing power or even shutting down your engine does not reduce the cooldown time. The 47's have a 5/10 minute cycle.

Same same.  It is just a model.  No it is not nitpicking just setting the story right.

The OP original question wondered why AH WEP in 47 was not longer when comparing it to the WW2 film.  

If AH limited the total time of WEP oh how it would change the game.

In a real P47 was there a water tank level indicator or something to tell how much water injection you had left?

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Re: P47 WEP duration
« Reply #20 on: November 24, 2013, 07:34:24 AM »
A Spit V pilot panicked and ran WEP for 30 minutes to no ill effect on his engine.

What running WEP did was shorten the time between overhauls, something we don't deal with here as we always get a brand new airplane. WEP would increase the chance of engine failure due to the greater strain and pressures put on the engine, but we also don't deal with that here.  Heat, like AH or like Il2, is a gameplay mechanism to force the player not to over use WEP.
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Re: P47 WEP duration
« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2013, 08:16:48 AM »
He reckoned it was like having a Gov't sponsored hot-rod to thrash..
you just made our point. With the word thrash.

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Re: P47 WEP duration
« Reply #22 on: November 24, 2013, 08:45:46 AM »
Ground crews certainly didn't enjoy the extra work involved in changing engines that were badly abused. However, they would be far more upset if their pilot and plane failed to come home.

The more considerate pilots took an interest in their crew's work. I could tell you many incidents where pilots can home from a mission, debriefed, had a meal, an maybe got a couple hours of sleep. Then, they showed up on the flight line in overalls to pitch in with that engine change or repair. More than a few would bring them hot coffee, or cold beer or sandwiches. Pilots who cared for the ground crews were beloved. The better officers understood that the effectiveness of that fighter was a team effort. Everyone was important to a successful sortie. These officers made sure that the maintenance crews knew this and showed them appreciation in many useful and practical ways.

Inversely, crews took great pride in their pilots and aircraft. Many a long night was had without complaint. If the Lt. had to abuse his engine to shot down enemy fighters and escape to home, that was alright with them.

Crews beamed with pride when their fighter was festooned with victory symbols. If a pilot and plane were lost, they grieved openly. In the AAF, some Group commanders gave crews time off to grieve, before assigning them to a new plane.

Crew chiefs would raise hell with pilots if they foolishly or needlessly abuse their aircraft. But, should a pilot need to run WEP for 30 minutes in combat, it was different. The pilot and plane came home, and that was all that really mattered.
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Re: P47 WEP duration
« Reply #23 on: November 24, 2013, 11:32:38 AM »
If someone wants to know how AH would be if WEP was limited by irrelevant time between engine overhauls, he can ask the Yak-3 pilots how often is their throttle not jammed all the way forward.
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Re: P47 WEP duration
« Reply #24 on: November 24, 2013, 03:34:26 PM »
Those big Sabers were notoriously unreliable and difficult to maintain.


The Sabre was a prodigious achievement, & yes - it did have development
issues,  but, like Grand Prix racers, those pilots flying behind them knew they were operating something special, & went for it..

& Widewing, thanks for your well put & thoughtfully considered post, - in a closely related way, those pilot/ground crew relationships were really quite like those of championship racer & pit crew teams today..
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