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P47 WEP duration
« on: November 23, 2013, 01:20:46 PM »
In this training video, the instructor says WEP can be used for a max of 11 minutes as opposed to our 5 minutes now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KnwIYwEh6o

skip to about 10:00
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Re: P47 WEP duration
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2013, 01:24:47 PM »
I think that is 11 minutes total time available  guessing the restriction was based on water tank size.  

In AH we have unlimited water but the head temperature controls the duration of each WEP run.

My Dad  an aircraft mechanic during WW2 had said water injection was a big reason for having to change engines.  I think he noted bad heads and water in the oil but that was a long time ago.
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Re: P47 WEP duration
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2013, 01:35:22 PM »
In AH we have unlimited water but the head temperature controls the duration of each WEP run.

In AH it's actually purely time based. This may seem as if I'm only nitpicking, but the difference is that reducing power or even shutting down your engine does not reduce the cooldown time. The 47's have a 5/10 minute cycle.
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Re: P47 WEP duration
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2013, 04:20:07 PM »
I wouldn't mind too much if HTC decided to model the temperature and water injection.

However, I feel we should also model the variable flow injection systems for the Germans if we go that route.
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Re: P47 WEP duration
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2013, 06:36:48 PM »
I wouldn't mind too much if HTC decided to model the temperature and water injection.

However, I feel we should also model the variable flow injection systems for the Germans if we go that route.
Yea lets do bad supplies for the germans too in that case ;P
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Re: P47 WEP duration
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2013, 07:39:37 PM »
Yea lets do bad supplies for the germans too in that case ;P

Why? That does not have a thing to do with modeling WEP and its derivatives per each aircraft.

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Re: P47 WEP duration
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2013, 09:23:56 PM »
If WEP is modeled realistically what stops Merlin and Allison engined fighters from simply using WEP 100% of the time?  There needs to be some control on it otherwise players will abuse it.

(I still want to know why Merlins in British aircraft, even American built Merlins, have a 5/15 cycle but in American aircraft they have a 5/10 cycle.)
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Re: P47 WEP duration
« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2013, 09:27:20 PM »
If WEP is modeled realistically what stops Merlin and Allison engined fighters from simply using WEP 100% of the time?  There needs to be some control on it otherwise players will abuse it.

Wouldn't heat be a limiting factor? I mean aren't they just ramping up the boost pressure, same as the DB 601's and early 605's?
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Re: P47 WEP duration
« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2013, 09:37:10 PM »
Why? That does not have a thing to do with modeling WEP and its derivatives per each aircraft.
It was a joke poking fun at the fact he is in love with German iron :P
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Re: P47 WEP duration
« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2013, 09:55:25 PM »
It was a joke poking fun at the fact he is in love with German iron :P
As far as I know, the Germans were the only one to use variable rate injection systems.


I may prefer German aircraft, and may make posts for them more often than I ask for the Meteor III, but I'm quite fair about this type of thing.
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Re: P47 WEP duration
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2013, 11:15:15 PM »
& for a bit of a historical reality check..

On 23rd Jan `45 Kiwi Tempest pilot Ron Dennis went rat-catching
 [with wingman F. Mac Leod]  - in WFO pursuit of an Me 262 flown by
H. Holzwarth for 50+ miles  - to catch it & shoot it down..

Regarding the Tempest's Napier Sabre mill,
he commented..

"The engine loved tough handling & never objected to maximum revs or boost for extended periods."

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Re: P47 WEP duration
« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2013, 03:28:07 AM »


"The engine loved tough handling & never objected to maximum revs or boost for extended periods."


Funny, my car doesn't mind getting the crap beat out of it...

Wonder what the guy who worked on it says... Probably the same thing my repair shop says..  :noid

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Re: P47 WEP duration
« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2013, 03:36:56 AM »
He'd say,
Great work sir!
 & we really showed that bloody fancy-pants
 Nazi blow-job what's what - didn't we sir..

& would we like a paint finish with extra wax & high polish too sir?..
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Re: P47 WEP duration
« Reply #13 on: November 24, 2013, 03:42:22 AM »
(I still want to know why Merlins in British aircraft, even American built Merlins, have a 5/15 cycle but in American aircraft they have a 5/10 cycle.)
Because mossies on WEP are just not fair.
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Re: P47 WEP duration
« Reply #14 on: November 24, 2013, 04:38:43 AM »
He'd say,
Great work sir!
 & we really showed that bloody fancy-pants
 Nazi blow-job what's what - didn't we sir..

& would we like a paint finish with extra wax & high polish too sir?..

I'm fairly certain the pilot would get b***hed at, and I'm fairly certain you know this.


Out of curiosity, do you/have you done any serious work on engines? Cause from my experience, it can be rather unpleasant, and that's with relatively small, naturally aspirated automotive engines that aren't running at high compression ratio, high RPM, and getting shot at.
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