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Offline zack1234

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Re: China pushing Japan again.
« Reply #75 on: November 27, 2013, 03:24:42 PM »
Thats what i am saying :old:

The USA invested in these countries.

The USA investing in China :old:

And everyone is saying that China is getting to big for its boots.

Everyone fails to correlate that the 'West' is paying for Chinese exspansion."

America is a sleeping tiger gibberish, why would it go to war with a country its invested in?

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Re: China pushing Japan again.
« Reply #76 on: November 27, 2013, 03:26:46 PM »
We would if China miscalculates and makes an impact on our dollars and cents. China may be cheap to buy things from, but you can't buy if you're not making money either.
You started this thread and it was obviously about your want and desire in spite of your use of 'we' and Google.

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« Reply #77 on: November 27, 2013, 04:42:23 PM »
What are you saying their should be state intervention where you can invest your money?

I thought the free market was what America was about?

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Re: China pushing Japan again.
« Reply #78 on: November 27, 2013, 05:14:42 PM »
Who are the biggest investors in China?

Not one American will answer that question

The European Union is the largest investor in China.....It is also Chinas largest trading partner


Not sure why you would think an American like myself wouldnt answer that question    :headscratch:
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« Reply #79 on: November 27, 2013, 05:16:02 PM »
 Meanwhile Canada sits back and waits to take over the world!


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« Reply #80 on: November 27, 2013, 07:03:12 PM »
Meanwhile Canada sits back and waits to take over the world!

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Re: China pushing Japan again.
« Reply #81 on: November 28, 2013, 12:19:42 AM »
The European Union is the largest investor in China.....It is also Chinas largest trading partner


Not sure why you would think an American like myself wouldnt answer that question    :headscratch:



The "Marshall Plan" "IMF" "World Bank" ??????

So your under the illusion the European Union is a independent construct?

Do you think the US lets europe do what it wants

We owe the US trillions after recent financial collapes :old:

Your grasp of capitalism and the world economics is infantile
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Re: China pushing Japan again.
« Reply #82 on: November 28, 2013, 01:05:07 AM »
Meanwhile Canada sits back and waits to take over the world!


    We have the means and the plan!     It's quite simple,we're just going to bore you to death,once you're done poking fun at Rob Ford!!! :neener:




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Re: China pushing Japan again.
« Reply #83 on: November 28, 2013, 01:17:15 AM »


The "Marshall Plan" "IMF" "World Bank" ??????

So your under the illusion the European Union is a independent construct?

Do you think the US lets europe do what it wants

We owe the US trillions after recent financial collapes :old:

Your grasp of capitalism and the world economics is infantile

It's member nations and the union itself to a lesser extent are certainly sovereign. At best, the US can only whisper suggestions into their ears, but nothing else without it being so obvious as to undermine it's value.
You started this thread and it was obviously about your want and desire in spite of your use of 'we' and Google.

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Re: China pushing Japan again.
« Reply #84 on: November 28, 2013, 01:37:52 AM »
So the USA bailed out Europe AGAIN and has no influence upon European economics and policies?

The European Union invests in China to pay back the loans it obtained from the USA .

If you get a loan from the bank do they not want conditions in return :old:

"Das Kapital" by that one of the Marx's is allowed to be read in the US now without you getting blacklisted :old:

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« Reply #85 on: November 28, 2013, 01:41:49 AM »
I was reading in the Associated Press that 2 US B-52 bombers flew into this "air defense zone", so China wasn't happy about that.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/11/27/american-b-52-bombers-ignore-chinese-demand-on-disputed-airspace-and-chinas-not-happy/

As well I noticed if you look on the map of the new zone established by China that it's sorta making a slight barrier between Japan, South Korea and Taiwan. Possibly this can be seen as a first step of many of China starting more harsh action against the nation of Taiwan.

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« Reply #86 on: November 28, 2013, 03:36:04 AM »
Apparently both the Japanese and, significantly, the South Koreans have now also flown aircraft through the area without notifying the Chinese.

I saw it pointed out a few years back that China has the un-productive habit of throwing its weight around everywhere, simultaneously, thus managing to p*ss off everybody else at the same time. It's a "Great Leap Forward" in the art of diplomacy.
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Re: China pushing Japan again.
« Reply #87 on: November 28, 2013, 06:41:16 AM »
I agree with Stealth, and that's why I brought up Taiwan earlier.  China doesn't "claim" mainland Japan in any way, but they do claim that Taiwan is theirs, and just a "rogue confused" state that needs to be returned to their fold.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-11-28/japan-tests-china-s-resolve-with-flights-in-air-zone.html

Japan and South Korea both flew fighters through the area in the last day, and China did nothing to respond.  Their CVN should be on station in a couple of days, so we'll see if they launch any J15/SU33 fighters to intercept aircraft once it gets there.

Notice the UK is involved now too.  Bloody hell Zack!  HMS Daring is in the area, and is going to be taking the road less traveled to a port visit in Japan, right through the exclusion zone - the timing is pretty cute, obviously it'll be there right around the time the Chinese navy CVN gets to the area.  HMS Daring is part of a class that's probably one of if not THE best air defense ship in the world, right up there with the Burke and Tico Aegis equipped ships, only newer and with a faster, albeit slightly shorter range radar and tracking system.  I just hope the British government has the $ to have sent them into harms way with a full magazine, unlike that last crisis where the media broke the story that they only had 2 or 3 functioning rounds on board for Seawolf system which normally held 32 on HMS Westminster during the Libyan engagements.  Dodgy buggahs!

This is getting interesting.  I wonder how many US submarines are already tracking and trailing the Chinese CVN.  Again, I'd be interested to see how good the Chinese Frigates and Destroyers are at ASW work.  They used to be horrible at it, and couldn't even fly their ASW helo's in bad weather or the dark, but times have changed apparently.  I'm not saying I think they're great, just that they aren't completely incapable as before.
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Re: China pushing Japan again.
« Reply #88 on: November 28, 2013, 07:20:13 AM »
I was reading in the Associated Press that 2 US B-52 bombers flew into this "air defense zone", so China wasn't happy about that.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/11/27/american-b-52-bombers-ignore-chinese-demand-on-disputed-airspace-and-chinas-not-happy/

As well I noticed if you look on the map of the new zone established by China that it's sorta making a slight barrier between Japan, South Korea and Taiwan. Possibly this can be seen as a first step of many of China starting more harsh action against the nation of Taiwan.

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looking at the location of this islands, should belong to Taiwan not Japan;
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« Reply #89 on: November 28, 2013, 07:30:11 AM »
looking at the location of this islands, should belong to Taiwan not Japan;

Much like the Falklands should belong to Argentina and not the UK..

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