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Re: China pushing Japan again.
« Reply #45 on: November 25, 2013, 04:08:56 PM »
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Re: China pushing Japan again.
« Reply #46 on: November 25, 2013, 05:48:02 PM »
They havnt amended it because the Yank tax payer has been paying to protect them. Remove that and i cant help but think their two houses, and their public, would find a way to see the light.

I cant help but laugh when I see citizens from other Democracies make comments on the internet about how they would like to see America taken down a notch or two in the Pacific. They really have no idea what they would be dealing with if there was a dominant China in Asia.
Unless I misread GScholz, he means they haven't been able to change their constitution at all, not just in respect to military spending and operations.  The threshold is prohibitively high.
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Re: China pushing Japan again.
« Reply #47 on: November 25, 2013, 05:56:58 PM »
They havnt amended it because the Yank tax payer has been paying to protect them. Remove that and i cant help but think their two houses, and their public, would find a way to see the light.

I cant help but laugh when I see citizens from other Democracies make comments on the internet about how they would like to see America taken down a notch or two in the Pacific. They really have no idea what they would be dealing with if there was a dominant China in Asia.

The US paying Japan?  You do know that Japan pays almost 50% of the US costs for bases in Japan, correct?  Also, I don't see any reports from Japan about them wishing to have the US taken down a notch or two in the Pacific.  In fact, when I was in Japan a couple of years ago, it was quite the opposite.

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Re: China pushing Japan again.
« Reply #48 on: November 25, 2013, 05:58:02 PM »
Unless I misread GScholz, he means they haven't been able to change their constitution at all, not just in respect to military spending and operations.  The threshold is prohibitively high.

You did not misread me, and combined with political chaos being more or less the norm over there, it is highly unlikely they will ever manage to amend their constitution unless something really major happens.
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« Reply #49 on: November 25, 2013, 06:24:22 PM »
You did not misread me, and combined with political chaos being more or less the norm over there, it is highly unlikely they will ever manage to amend their constitution unless something really major happens.

Japan is starting to take steps to take their military out of the 'self-defense' area and more into the offensive doctrine.  Another thing that has hamstrung the Japanese has been their neighbors, the countries in that area of the world are scared at the prospect of a militarized Japan.

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« Reply #50 on: November 25, 2013, 08:18:06 PM »
Well, that ^ is true, but there's a reason for that.
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Re: China pushing Japan again.
« Reply #51 on: November 26, 2013, 01:45:42 AM »
Japan does exactly what the US tells it to do :)

If not they mention trade tarriffs :rofl:

And they poo their pants :)

Hold on, has Syria, North Korea and Iran invaded yet?

The US has made China what it is by investing in it.

So stop hand ringing and looking under the bed for commies and grow up :rofl
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Re: China pushing Japan again.
« Reply #52 on: November 26, 2013, 08:09:26 AM »
Japan does exactly what the US tells it to do :)
No, not really.

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If not they mention trade tarriffs :rofl:

And they poo their pants :)
You're an idiot.  Nobody has mentioned tariffs in decades.

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Hold on, has Syria, North Korea and Iran invaded yet?

The US has made China what it is by investing in it.

So stop hand ringing and looking under the bed for commies and grow up :rofl
None of that meaningless prattle has anything to do with what is going on.  Grow up.
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Re: China pushing Japan again.
« Reply #53 on: November 26, 2013, 11:47:32 AM »
Every two months you all jump about, if its not your guns or your insurance or China with its poo aircraft carrier its the Iranians or the Syrians :old:

So your telling me the US lent the Japanese trillions snd then let them do what they like.

Trade Tariffs,IMF and World Bank all the same, controlled by the US :old:

So the US won WWII so everyone could do what they want  :rofl

I have reported you as well for calling me a idiot, its genetic :furious
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Re: China pushing Japan again.
« Reply #54 on: November 26, 2013, 12:49:39 PM »

"U.S. Directly Challenges China’s Air Defense Zone
Pair of American B-52 Bombers Fly Over Disputed Island ......."

http://stream.wsj.com/story/latest-headlines/SS-2-63399/SS-2-391980/

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Re: China pushing Japan again.
« Reply #55 on: November 26, 2013, 01:29:05 PM »
"U.S. Directly Challenges China’s Air Defense Zone
Pair of American B-52 Bombers Fly Over Disputed Island ......."

http://stream.wsj.com/story/latest-headlines/SS-2-63399/SS-2-391980/

I had to giggle at this when the BBC reported it.
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Re: China pushing Japan again.
« Reply #56 on: November 26, 2013, 02:01:05 PM »
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Re: China pushing Japan again.
« Reply #57 on: November 26, 2013, 03:21:05 PM »
The US paying Japan?  You do know that Japan pays almost 50% of the US costs for bases in Japan, correct?  Also, I don't see any reports from Japan about them wishing to have the US taken down a notch or two in the Pacific.  In fact, when I was in Japan a couple of years ago, it was quite the opposite.

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When did I say "Citizens From Japan"?

And why should they only pay 50%? Its not OUR security at stake. They arent sending THEIR children to America to protect us!

Lol Even in their piddly foreign deployments they hid behind their constitution and only allowed their troops to be used for road building and stock clerking.

Im starting to really despise this "Worlds Policeman" thing. And in Asia the only Allies worth a damn are the Aussies.
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Re: China pushing Japan again.
« Reply #58 on: November 27, 2013, 02:03:32 AM »
Back to the OP, it's getting more interesting now.

http://www.cbc.ca/m/touch/world/story/1.2440703

China has sortied its brand new (refurbished anyway) CV with 3 escort warships and several support vessels to the area we're talking about.  I guess I was right about staging Chinese/Japanese air force fighters easily, as China has gone with the naval option as well.  We'll get to see at the very least how spooled up they are with modern CV air operations.  A lot of defense sites and analysts around the world will be glued to the wires waiting to see how that works out for the Chinese.  I bet they actually are able to do pretty well so far as getting aircraft airborne, and not so well at keeping their CVN deck covert (very important even for USN CV battle groups).   Taiwan has the closest fighter bases to the disputed region too, and they certainly aren't on China's side in this.  Kadena AFB and the closest Chinese AFB look pretty close to equidistant from the islands.  The Chinese CVN certainly is no match for a USN CVN group, but it does signify a first for a country like China, getting into the naval air projection game, albeit with a slow non nuclear powered CV with only about 20 or 25 aircraft max, and those aircraft will be lightly loaded in order to get airborne in the first place.  If Japan was on their own in this one, the Chinese CVN would be a huge piece on the board, since Japan doesn't have one at all.  The new Chinese Frigs and Destroyers are pretty impressive on paper, this will be a good time to observe them and see how good they are at the escort gig.  I wouldn't bet against the USN running some pretty intense exercises versus this group with their SSN's in the area.  I'm very interested to see how good the Chinese ASW capability is now.

I wonder if Japan will respond now with some naval vessels, or if the USN is going to handle this one.  The B52's that flew through the area yesterday was quite a show of force to China, pretty much telling them where they can stick their new air defense zone regs.  Apparently China didn't get the message, or got it and doesn't care, and is sending a CVN battle group anyway.  I think the USN is going to have to do some major redeployments to counter this move.  This is when having F35B capable "mini cv's" like the America and other assault ship classes will really help the USN in areas like this.  When they just don't have an extra CVN deck to put into a crisis like this, having 2 assault ships with 40 F35's will be a pretty major asset to use as a substitute.  Just my opinion anyway.
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Re: China pushing Japan again.
« Reply #59 on: November 27, 2013, 03:23:56 AM »
When did I say "Citizens From Japan"?

And why should they only pay 50%? Its not OUR security at stake. They arent sending THEIR children to America to protect us!

Lol Even in their piddly foreign deployments they hid behind their constitution and only allowed their troops to be used for road building and stock clerking.

Im starting to really despise this "Worlds Policeman" thing. And in Asia the only Allies worth a damn are the Aussies.

Australia is only part of Asia in the world cup.


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