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Offline zack1234

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TV or Monitor
« on: November 25, 2013, 01:50:10 AM »
what is best?

And what are the  benefits?

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Re: TV or Monitor
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2013, 03:29:22 AM »
what is best?

And what are the  benefits?



TVs usually have a huge input lag, they're horrible for fast paced games. Settlers etc. work fine. ;)
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Re: TV or Monitor
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2013, 06:16:21 AM »
I have a TV with VGA input and HDMI.  I can not tell the difference between the inputs from a visual standpoint in AH.

I would think in AH with the small internet lag we deal with that any slowness from a TV would be insignificant.  The tech guys might disagree.  If they do, they are more likely to be right.   

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« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2013, 08:06:54 AM »
I have a TV with VGA input and HDMI.  I can not tell the difference between the inputs from a visual standpoint in AH.

I would think in AH with the small internet lag we deal with that any slowness from a TV would be insignificant.  The tech guys might disagree.  If they do, they are more likely to be right.   

You can't see input lag untill you put two screens next to eachothers. In FPS input lag can cause the enemy to see you 2 steps before you see them behind a corner, boom you're dead.
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« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2013, 09:17:22 AM »
Monitor. You can get a 30" 2.5k monitor for a decent price. A 4k TV sounds quite interesting, though, instead of triple full-HD monitors.
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« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2013, 12:02:40 PM »
Monitor is the true gamer's choice. TVs are fine for casuals, and people who can afford to burn their retinas.

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« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2013, 03:02:24 PM »
With tvs you can approach sizes where the visual image is almost if not full size. So with a 65" and a 95 fov you are looking at a full size cockpit. The gages are about 3" and the panel is about 35" across. Problem to date is at 1080P and 32" away the resolution is not that great but with the new 4K from China  we should be able to see full size at good resolution. That combined with trackir is as close to the real thing as current tech will allow IMHO. The prices for this are to high now but will come down a lot next year. I currently have a triple 27" setup and have tried a 55" old plasma. I prefer the plasma.

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« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2013, 03:58:24 PM »
TVs usually have a huge input lag, they're horrible for fast paced games. Settlers etc. work fine. ;)
come on man, we've been through this before, that is not true for all televisions. non-3d 120hz panels with a mode that turns off all post processing can be had and the input lag is +/- 10ms of all but the most expensive monitors.

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57587317-221/game-mode-on-cnet-tests-tvs-for-input-lag/
i know leo bodnar from iracing...he and a couple of other gadget tweakers came up with that very useful device.
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« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2013, 09:02:12 PM »
come on man, we've been through this before, that is not true for all televisions. non-3d 120hz panels with a mode that turns off all post processing can be had and the input lag is +/- 10ms of all but the most expensive monitors.

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57587317-221/game-mode-on-cnet-tests-tvs-for-input-lag/
i know leo bodnar from iracing...he and a couple of other gadget tweakers came up with that very useful device.

All hdmi connected devices may have input lags of several dozens of ms. Low input lag models are far and between.

Brand   Model Number   Size   Display Type   Input Lag (Camera)   Lag (Leo Bodnar)   Price
Sony   KDL55W905A   55"   LED LCD   8 ms   20 ms   £2000
Sony   KDL-55HX853   55"   LED LCD   28 ms   N/A   £1750
Panasonic   TX-L55WT65B   55"   LED LCD   31 ms   38 ms   £2300
Samsung   UE55ES8000   55"   LED LCD   31 ms   N/A   £1900
Sony   KDL-55HX823   55"   LED LCD   31 ms   N/A   £1500
Samsung   UE55D8000   55"   LED LCD   33 ms   N/A   £2000
Samsung   UE55F8000   55"   LED LCD   44 ms   44 ms   £1850
Samsung   LE55A956   55"   LED LCD   45 ms   N/A   
Philips   55PFL8008   55"   LED LCD   46 ms   50 ms   £1900

If I was shopping for a gaming oriented screen I would get the new Eizo 240hz panel.
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« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2013, 09:44:17 PM »
2000£ :O
thats...what...3200$?
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« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2013, 03:11:00 AM »
2000£ :O
thats...what...3200$?

Yep tvs are expensive.
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Re: TV or Monitor
« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2013, 06:19:31 AM »
Considering the average persons shooting skills, would these small delays really make a difference in AH?  To the highly skilled player I could see the lag being a problem.  I could see if you are inside 200, it gets to be more of a problem.

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« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2013, 06:31:56 AM »
Considering the average persons shooting skills, would these small delays really make a difference in AH?  To the highly skilled player I could see the lag being a problem.  I could see if you are inside 200, it gets to be more of a problem.

Its not only about input lag. Better contrast, brightness, colors, ghosting will make your games more enjoyable and will not wear your eyes down as much.

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« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2013, 09:54:34 AM »
All hdmi connected devices may have input lags of several dozens of ms. Low input lag models are far and between.

Brand   Model Number   Size   Display Type   Input Lag (Camera)   Lag (Leo Bodnar)   Price
Sony   KDL55W905A   55"   LED LCD   8 ms   20 ms   £2000
Sony   KDL-55HX853   55"   LED LCD   28 ms   N/A   £1750
Panasonic   TX-L55WT65B   55"   LED LCD   31 ms   38 ms   £2300
Samsung   UE55ES8000   55"   LED LCD   31 ms   N/A   £1900
Sony   KDL-55HX823   55"   LED LCD   31 ms   N/A   £1500
Samsung   UE55D8000   55"   LED LCD   33 ms   N/A   £2000
Samsung   UE55F8000   55"   LED LCD   44 ms   44 ms   £1850
Samsung   LE55A956   55"   LED LCD   45 ms   N/A   
Philips   55PFL8008   55"   LED LCD   46 ms   50 ms   £1900

If I was shopping for a gaming oriented screen I would get the new Eizo 240hz panel.
don't speculate so much...i figured you of all people would do more research...

http://www.displaylag.com/display-database/

take note of the hdtv's with input lag in the low to mid 20's just like a lot of monitors...
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« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2013, 12:54:57 PM »
don't speculate so much...i figured you of all people would do more research...

http://www.displaylag.com/display-database/

take note of the hdtv's with input lag in the low to mid 20's just like a lot of monitors...

Take note that of the proper size tvs most rate from 'okay' to 'bad' and 'okay' is 50+ ms lag. If you sort the 'tv':s starting from the puny 27" size then you get a completely false picture, pun intended.
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