WWII fighter tactics monkey floggers!

[FLOOB]

Worth watching. Allied WWII pilots talking tactics vs the dusseldorks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSU_T3VM22g

[Scherf]

Anyone have any idea precisely what it is in the wing of the Fw 190 at the start of the clip which explodes? I've seen a number of guncam sequences where something in the Wurger's wing goes boom, have never figured out what.

[FLOOB]

My guess is the magazine.

[Vraciu]

Worth watching. Allied WWII pilots talking tactics vs the dusseldorks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSU_T3VM22g

The Pony is obviously porked...

[MajWoody]

Anyone have any idea precisely what it is in the wing of the Fw 190 at the start of the clip which explodes? I've seen a number of guncam sequences where something in the Wurger's wing goes boom, have never figured out what.

cannon rounds

[RotBaron]

Narrator: "The P47D and M models could tackle any Luftwaffe fighter in any type of dogfight."  

 


That is entirely opinionated statement. We all know it is the skill of the pilot that is supreme, not the plane. I doubt the top Allied pilots would choose the P47D or M as their first choice vs a top LW pilot. I suppose that one could argue at bombers altitude P47 could prove to be superior in many ways.  No offense Thunderbolt afficianados, it was a great plane, but dogfighter?

Later on...

The P-38L "could outdive, outrun, outturn and outgun" the Luftwaffe

The P51 "could outturn the Germans"

What rubbish. I'm sorry, I know, I wasn't there and I have never flown said aircraft, however this is terribly biased stuff.

To the victor goes the spoils, in this case the history apparently.

[FLOOB]

He was talking about the p38L with its hydraulic assisted controls. You'll notice that when they talk about the earlier models of p38 aperantly it was such a huge pos that it wasn't even as good as the German planes. I have no doubt that the p51 could out turn 109s and 190s, duh.

[Vraciu]

He was talking about the p38L with its hydraulic assisted controls. You'll notice that when they talk about the earlier models of p38 aperantly it was such a huge pos that it wasn't even as good as the German planes. I have no doubt that the p51 could out turn 109s and 190s, duh.

P-38K....   That's all I have to say.

[Fulcrum]

That is entirely opinionated statement. We all know it is the skill of the pilot that is supreme, not the plane. I doubt the top Allied pilots would choose the P47D or M as their first choice vs a top LW pilot.

I would be remiss if I did not point out that your post is also a "opinionated statement".

Now for one of my own:

It is true the skill of a pilot is important...but other factors come into play as well. Relative numbers of opponents, E advantages, strengths and weaknesses of the opposing fighters, etc. are also equally important. The best pilot on earth will (usually) die if at a significant tactical disadvantage due to the situation, number of opponents, quality of his equipment, etc. He may take a few with him...but he will die just the same.  "Quantity has a quality all its own" is as true now as it was 2500 years ago at Thermopylae.  

Just sayin'... 

[Vraciu]

"How did you get shot down, Colonel?"

"We'll it was five to one, I got four."

[Scca]

I find it interesting they said "allied fighters could out turn them [109]"  In game, that seems to not be true...  Only me?

[DmonSlyr]

I dont think the P51 could out turn a 109 in real life. Just by sure weight and dynamics of what each plane was used for. You certainly wouldnt be seeing a P38 in a turn fight with a 109, however yes it did outdive and out run the 109s.

The concept of most allied fighters was to be fast fly for a long time, and carry lots of ord. Most of the Germans and japs made their planes more for dogfighting and intercepting which generally made them better turners. The 190s had the firepower and engine for big bomber intercepts which made them heavy, so a P51 could generally out maneuver and use better E tactics against the 190.  It wasn't until the 190D that gave the p51 a harder time because they were made to catch P51s.

[Scca]

I dont think the P51 could out turn a 109 in real life. Just by sure weight and dynamics of what each plane was used for. You certainly wouldnt be seeing a P38 in a turn fight with a 109, however yes it did outdive and out run the 109s.

The concept of most allied fighters was to be fast fly for a long time, and carry lots of ord. Most of the Germans and japs made their planes more for dogfighting and intercepting which generally made them better turners. The 190s had the firepower and engine for big bomber intercepts which made them heavy, so a P51 could generally out maneuver and use better E tactics against the 190.  It wasn't until the 190D that gave the p51 a harder time because they were made to catch P51s.

The P-51 pilots in the video disagreed...

[Fulcrum]

The P-51 pilots in the video disagreed...

I think speed plays a factor here.  By AH modeling the P51 turns great when fast....better than the 109...add in a notch of flap and it turns even better.

[DmonSlyr]

Well just doesn't seem logical, but it could also depend on the pilots skills/ training as well. I cant watch the Vid at work. But this is the first time i've heard a p51 could out turn a 109 in a stall fight. Especially since the 109s were crafted to fight the agile spitfires as well.

and yeah thats very true fulc.. they could be a huge factor.