190 ord options

[USCH]

Why does my 190 not have 144 of these? I'm thinking 4 or 5 guys with the 30 min delay option over town 
www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWsnfK-MeCE
 And 3 250 kg option as well

[Karnak]

Why does my 190 not have 144 of these? I'm thinking 4 or 5 guys with the 30 min delay option over town 
www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWsnfK-MeCE

Probably for the same reason the Il-2 doesn't.

[ReVo]

The F8 should at least get the 2 250kg option. That would finally give us Luftweenies an attack aircraft that could compare with the American rides.

[SmokinLoon]

AH's 190F-8 has a number of historically correct ordnance options that are not available.  Namely, the 3/250kg option and the 8/50kg.  Both of those options were used quite often especially on the Ost Front.

[Karnak]

The F8 should at least get the 2 250kg option. That would finally give us Luftweenies an attack aircraft that could compare with the American rides.

Do you mean two 500kg bomb option?  Two 250kg bombs is only 1100lbs total and the same bomb load as the N1K2-J, Ki-43-II, Ki-61-I and Ki-84 carry.

[Butcher]

Do you mean two 500kg bomb option?  Two 250kg bombs is only 1100lbs total and the same bomb load as the N1K2-J, Ki-43-II, Ki-61-I and Ki-84 carry.

Problem is the 190G carried the two 250KG bombs on the wings, the F-model we have did not. We should have the 8/50kg bomb option, however beware of what you wish for - the Rack made the F lose like 15mph+ and made it sluggish, kind of like gunpods for a 109.
Me and tank-ace battled this out a few times, while the very late model 109F/11 did carry the 250KG bomb options, it pretty much shifted protection to 190G models at this point.

I suggest adding the 190G-3 and the 8/50KG bomb options for the F model - I'm sure HTC can add this eventually.

[SmokinLoon]

Problem is the 190G carried the two 250KG bombs on the wings, the F-model we have did not. We should have the 8/50kg bomb option, however beware of what you wish for - the Rack made the F lose like 15mph+ and made it sluggish, kind of like gunpods for a 109.
Me and tank-ace battled this out a few times, while the very late model 109F/11 did carry the 250KG bomb options, it pretty much shifted protection to 190G models at this point.

I suggest adding the 190G-3 and the 8/50KG bomb options for the F model - I'm sure HTC can add this eventually.

Somewhere there is a photo with an F model having 3/250kg bombs under it.  If it was the F-11 that carried the 3/250kg bombs, just what is the difference between the -8 and -11? 

[USCH]

I have a pic, in a book. But even if I could take a photo of it, I'm too dumb to be able to properly post it.
I have a 190A-1 pic with 8 SC-50's and a 190-G-3 with 3 250 kg's
They are in FOCKE-WULF Fw190 Volume Two 1943-1944 by J Richard Smith and Eddie J. Creek.
I'm hoping to get Vol. One soon and hope to find more. When my real PC is back up maybe I can give more info from this well done book.

[SmokinLoon]

I have a pic, in a book. But even if I could take a photo of it, I'm too dumb to be able to properly post it.
I have a 190A-1 pic with 8 SC-50's and a 190-G-3 with 3 250 kg's
They are in FOCKE-WULF Fw190 Volume Two 1943-1944 by J Richard Smith and Eddie J. Creek.
I'm hoping to get Vol. One soon and hope to find more. When my real PC is back up maybe I can give more info from this well done book.

Nice.   

Can you or anyone else enlighten me as to the main differences of the F and G models?  Is the major difference only the fuel range? 

[USCH]

Well not really, most G's are really A's from what I can tell,I'm sure more people know more, my knowledge is more generall accost the aircraft board. If you look up 190 variants on Wikipedia you can get a better knowledge of it all.

On a side note if I can take a pic, I'll try, here I have what seems to be origanal factory info on 190 A4 and A5 with different bomb loads, and the speeds they ran with and without bombs, but its all in German!

[USCH]

Well, being on my gf's iPad, and as dumb as I am I can't get the pic from her email to this page. (Don't tell me how cuz it just won't compute for me lol)
Anyway I'll type up (as best I can) the info I have here.

Fw 190 Jagdbomber-groBer Reichweite
(Jabo-Rei) mit Kuto-Nase, Kurssteuerung, FuG16z
Zielfug-und Peilvorsatz
Musterflugzeuge A-4/U8 Nov 1942
Vorlaufig Serinflugzeuge A-5/U8 ab Dez 1942
Serienflugzeuge G-1 ab Juni 1943

2 MG 151 je150 SchuB
Am Rumpf: 1SC 500 normal
Am Flugel : 4SC 50 normal ZAR od. Stabo
Od. 4SD 70 normal
ZAR od. Stabo od. 4ab 23,24,36,45
Fluggewitcht 4680kg bis 4790kg
Vmax mit bomben 570km/h
Ohne bomben 620km/h
Reichweite 735km

That's the info from the copy, but just one of 8 different ord set ups and speeds.
We have 8 sc 50's, 3 250kg's, 4sc 50's and a 300ltr DT, 2 250's with a 300ltr DT, 2 300ltr DT's and 4 sc 50's, 1 sc 250 and 2 300ltr DT's, 1 sc 500 and 2 300ltr DT's.
and all the info that goes with them too, but I'm tired of typing...

[Tank-Ace]

Problem is the 190G carried the two 250KG bombs on the wings, the F-model we have did not. We should have the 8/50kg bomb option, however beware of what you wish for - the Rack made the F lose like 15mph+ and made it sluggish, kind of like gunpods for a 109.
Me and tank-ace battled this out a few times, while the very late model 109F/11 did carry the 250KG bomb options, it pretty much shifted protection to 190G models at this point.

I suggest adding the 190G-3 and the 8/50KG bomb options for the F model - I'm sure HTC can add this eventually.

And it would be perfectly valid to add those bombs to the 190F-8, given that they were indeed carried by the F-8/U1, regardless of if we find a photograph showing 3 250kg bombs on what is definitively proven to be an F-8 or not, as we can find pictures of F-8's carrying two of them under the wings.

Besides that, it completely ignores the 1000kg AP bomb, 1000kg GP bomb, the 210mm WGr 28 air to ground rockets, R4M's, the droptanks it could carry in the F-8/U1 configuration (identicle to the F-8 save that there were ETC 503's mounted to the wings, capable of carrying either 300L drop tanks, or 250kg bombs).


One other loadout we might be able to get was the torpedoes for the F-8/U2 (one under each wing, so they would be smaller torpedoes most likely). I can't recall if it was just the U-3 that was experimental, or if both the U2 and U3 were.



While I don't disagree the G should be added at some point, I also don't think we should wait for HTC to model an entire new variant to remedy a pretty big problem. Our current F-8 is handicapped even worse than the P-47 would be if you restricted it to 10 HVAR's and the single 500lb bomb or droptank on the center.

[Tank-Ace]

Somewhere there is a photo with an F model having 3/250kg bombs under it.  If it was the F-11 that carried the 3/250kg bombs, just what is the difference between the -8 and -11? 

I think he meant to say F-8/1 (meaning F-8/U1), and just hit the key twice. As far as I can find, there was no F-11 model.

Really, the only F models built in any real quantity were the F-3 and F-8, and possibly the F-9, depending on just how crappy one holds the record keeping to be at the end of the war. Models F-4 and F-7 were abandoned after limited effectiveness of the F-3 (which I would still like to see added, so we can get those sweet Mk 103's on a 190  ).

[Butcher]

Somewhere there is a photo with an F model having 3/250kg bombs under it.  If it was the F-11 that carried the 3/250kg bombs, just what is the difference between the -8 and -11? 

Here's what I can find -

[USCH]

Butcher, what book is that from, I'm just wondering if I have it around the house. Showing the F, is great and I thank you for it. My pic is clearly a G-3. And clearly a different aircraft and pick, so imo its just helping us to get to the goal.

Now is that the same F we have in game? What F model DO we have?