What is your SA Saturation point?

[STXAce8]

3, I die at 4. I normally spend my time hunting the good sticks if I hear one of them is on though, and win 50% of the time. 

[Latrobe]

1. Distance from you and direction
2. Position in space
3. Plane capabilities

My biggest trouble isn't keeping eyes on, it's the judgement of E and the timer in my head that is sometimes way off.  I had a few sorties yesterday where I knew who shot me and where they came from.  I thought I had more time.  Stupid eyes and brain.   

I'm the same in all of this except I consider Distance and Positioning both as 1. When I stumble into multiple cons I look for who has alt on me, who I have alt on, and who is closest. The highest con could be 5K away, while someone is climbing up below me just 1K away. The closer plane is the immediate threat, but the other con still does have more alt than me making him a fairly big threat, just not an immediate one. Plane capabilities just let's me know who I would like to kill first, but out numbered I'll shoot at whoever I can. It'd be nice to kill the A6M when I'm flying a P-47, but if I can't get shots on him then I'll shoot at the Typhoon off my 12 instead.

The internal timer is a tough thing to get working, mine is broken as well.  For anyone who doesn't understand this, you don't have to keep your eyes on a plane to keep SA on him. In a multi-con engagement it's just physically impossible to look in 2 different directions. So instead you look at the P-51 (as an example) as he misses a pass on you. It appears he is climbing up to alt to set up for another pass. It takes time for him to get turned around, so for the next 3-5 seconds he will not be an immediate threat as he is busy climbing and turning around. Take this time to check up on that Spitfire that was turning in on you. After 3-5 seconds an internal alarm clock should start ringing in your head (ok, you don't literally hear a ringing, but you know what I mean  ). It's telling you "Hey! That P-51 should be turned around by now and is probably making a pass on you! You should check on him and see what he's up to!"


I love this thread! It's making me think of things I've never actually thought about before! 

[mechanic]

Or if the 1 was just a superior pilot, which is the thought process I choose to take! 

Fair enough, that's a good positive attitude to have.

[JOACH1M]

As ridiculous as this sounds i have fought off 8-9 planes vs just little ol me in a 109f.

But I mostly find my self in 3v1 to 4v1 and on my way home ill get killed in a 2v1.

[Soulyss]

I hit my SA saturation point sometime between clicking on the runway button to spawn in and wheels up.

[JunkyII]

Being below getting BnZed it depends if they are working well with one another....they shouldn't give you the time of day to watch for other planes.

Everyone sometime or another has only handle 2 or 15...to put an exact number on it doesn't make sense because with SA in this game you need to look at roster and the map to determine fights. Like yesterday at A8 A58....Rooks had alt monkeys flying in from A5 and we had them from A56? But 56 was further away so we would have less alt monkeys but they would probably have more alt.

Looking at a map and roster I can tell pretty often which squad is attack what base. So if I can tell that 10 Jokers are vulching a base and I come over in a 152 above them....my SA is 10? No I think you need to look at not a set number but how well at the different levels of SA.

Local - Icon Range
Intermediate- Within the 2 base fight
Long Range - A few sectors out (next available field to up alt monkeys)
Global - Using Roster and the overall scheme of maneuver on map to tell what will happen soon. I know from experience that Knights stop defending when a side ups a horde, they start furballing. So if I go after that horde I won't have as much company as I would in a fur ball.

Local I'm decent, I normally see my death coming a minute or so before it happens which is a failure in....
Intermediate...I can be good here but my down and dirty fighting style often gets me horde ganged by the continuous line coming in sometimes a alt monkey will drop from 20k and be the 8th dude in but because I'm alright at
Long Range....I knew he was coming and he had the distance to easily get to 20k just on auto climb alone...and it was a 49th FG guy
Globally I know I'm fighting all of that chess pieces horde monies

Sorry...type this on my Droid lol

[Lazerr]

well last night i was fighting off 10 until the 11th 109f4 decided to come kill me in my 120mph p38.  As i continued to drink i was having a hard time with any red icon i saw..

[nrshida]

Awareness or fighting?

If they are uncoordinated or competing for the kill then you can handle more & for longer. If they are experienced at cooperating / systematic and skilled then two can kill you after perhaps only three turns.

[BaldEagl]

As a starting point for managing the cons, in what order are you judging the following threat matrix?:

Plane capabilities
Position in space
Distance from you and direction

Or, are you having issues with keeping eyes on the cons?

Position (which includes distance and direction), E state then plane type.

I try to herd the opponents into a single view if at all possible making my job much easier.  Typically I can move 4 or 5 into a single view but that's about the limit.  If I can get that done then it's plane type.

I'm also always thinking defensively first and offensively second in a multi-con engagement; typically rotating my side to the opponent reducing his target then looking for an overshoot that I can roll back into.

For me it's fun diving into a sea of red to see how long I can last and how many I can take with me.  If often makes me laugh when I inevitably get towered.

[Changeup]

Funny...I wonder why some guys won't answer the question. 

I should have listed the assumptions but I thought the equal number or +1 would give everyone the furball or micro-furball visual image.

I am just interested in how folks prioritize the threat airspace. 

The next thread will be me extracting your moves once the airspace collapses on you in your answers.  Don't lie about your moves...I have films, lol

[Changeup]

Awareness or fighting?

shida,

Fighting.  You cannot fight effectively without awareness....unless you mean you are using awareness to decide to avoid the conflict altogether.  Maybe I'm misunderstanding you.

[Kazaa]

Unlimited.

[DREDIOCK]

Four is the most I've ever faced and defeated (fighters, not buffs or jabos) but I regularily find myself against 10 or more.  WTH, it's just a game.

It seems we often share the same world LMAO

[jeep00]

I hit my SA saturation point sometime between clicking on the runway button to spawn in and wheels up.

His. Lmao 
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And I have yet to win or even show any competetive advantage in any 1v1 against wife ack.

[Nath[BDP]]

My SA is only limited by my ability to forego snapshot opportunities.