Now I know

[wpeters]

 Why I rarely use the M4.          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns6l7sCoWX4   I think I would have rather been a grunt.

[dirtdart]

Sobering.... good post.

[SmokinLoon]

Thanks for sharing, but this is not new information to most of us.  The discussion on the merits of the M4 Sherman can go on and on with some simple points: it was a well designed infantry support tank, it was reliable, but it was simply outclassed by the German tank (arguably the best in the world).  Once the Germans up-gunned to the Panzer IV F2 (or even the 5cm L/60 on the Pzr III J) there was no comparison.  The M4 Sherman AP ability (75mm) was left behind.  Once the US 76mm came in to play at least it could match the Germans shot for shot against the Panzer IV platform, but beyond that that it was suicide to go  1 vs 1 vs the Panther or Tiger.  Hence, the reliance on superior numbers and M18's.   

Against the Japanese it dominated the battlefield.  So again, there is more to the story than just "the Sherman sucks".   

[SKJohn]

Just another example of the bravery shown by the young men on all sides of that conflict! 

[wpeters]

Thanks for sharing, but this is not new information to most of us.  The discussion on the merits of the M4 Sherman can go on and on with some simple points: it was a well designed infantry support tank, it was reliable, but it was simply outclassed by the German tank (arguably the best in the world).  Once the Germans up-gunned to the Panzer IV F2 (or even the 5cm L/60 on the Pzr III J) there was no comparison.  The M4 Sherman AP ability (75mm) was left behind.  Once the US 76mm came in to play at least it could match the Germans shot for shot against the Panzer IV platform, but beyond that that it was suicide to go  1 vs 1 vs the Panther or Tiger.  Hence, the reliance on superior numbers and M18's.    

Against the Japanese it dominated the battlefield.  So again, there is more to the story than just "the Sherman sucks".    

True but still wouldnt want to fight in one knowing that your predecessors leg was blown off in there from one shot..  I mean I would rather be the guy escaping from the panther than the commader with the leg blown of or much worse the guys still stuck inside .  I will argue with you about the TIger and the Panther being the best tank. I would say the T-34-85 Was the best of the war in the sense it was exremely versitle and was easy to mass produce.  They were advanced beyond the germans till the Panther and Tigerl came out.

[JOACH1M]

Wow...   


I can't even....


The ending....

[BluBerry]

wow..

what an ending.

[Tinkles]

**Spoilers from video you have been warned!***




Can someone explain what happened at the last sighting of the loader? Did the round ignite? Or was the round/loader hit with the third round?

<<S>> to all who served.

 

 

[wpeters]

**Spoilers from video you have been warned!***




Can someone explain what happened at the last sighting of the loader? Did the round ignite? Or was the round/loader hit with the third round?

<<S>> to all who served.

 
 

I dont know but it looked like it clobbered him.

[BluBerry]

**Spoilers from video you have been warned!***




Can someone explain what happened at the last sighting of the loader? Did the round ignite? Or was the round/loader hit with the third round?

<<S>> to all who served.

 

 

Believe he was hit.

[Butcher]

I really hate the history channel in providing such FALSE information time and time again. Its better to pick up a real book then watch that brainwashing garbage over and over again.
The Sherman was a good tank, just as good as any other german tank. ARmor and firepower don't matter because the first rule of combat always decides the battle - He who see's first - decides the battle. Sherman was called a Ronson lighter, guess what? Yes its fuel was flammable, however the Panther had an even more volatile fuel that would burn even faster and harder. Later on the Sherman corrected one problem with wet storage, still its fuel was bad but no where near a Panthers.

Yes a Sherman cannot go 1vs1 with a tiger on open ground, fact is however Shermans have a 3:2 kill ratio over Panthers. Yes 2 Shermans lost for every 3 Panther tanks.
This argument has gone on forever, same as the "P-51 greatest!!! FIGHTER!!! EVER!!! or the Spitfire! whichever floats peoples boats.
I've never read a book that an infantry man said "wow those 51s saved our tulips today", its always the P-47, P-38 or Typhoons who did the dirty work.

Again its the history channel giving information that they clearly have not researched - time and time again, just playing off on people not knowing anything about the subject.
Kind of like Fox news or etc for politics - just more dumber.

Look for "Tiger Tank" history channel on Youtube, its the same "OMG GERMAN ARMOR!! INVISIBLE!!!" bias attitude along with "Sherman sucked!"

[wpeters]

I really hate the history channel in providing such FALSE information time and time again. Its better to pick up a real book then watch that brainwashing garbage over and over again.
The Sherman was a good tank, just as good as any other german tank. ARmor and firepower don't matter because the first rule of combat always decides the battle - He who see's first - decides the battle. Sherman was called a Ronson lighter, guess what? Yes its fuel was flammable, however the Panther had an even more volatile fuel that would burn even faster and harder. Later on the Sherman corrected one problem with wet storage, still its fuel was bad but no where near a Panthers.

Yes a Sherman cannot go 1vs1 with a tiger on open ground, fact is however Shermans have a 3:2 kill ratio over Panthers. Yes 2 Shermans lost for every 3 Panther tanks.
This argument has gone on forever, same as the "P-51 greatest!!! FIGHTER!!! EVER!!! or the Spitfire! whichever floats peoples boats.
I've never read a book that an infantry man said "wow those 51s saved our tulips today", its always the P-47, P-38 or Typhoons who did the dirty work.

Again its the history channel giving information that they clearly have not researched - time and time again, just playing off on people not knowing anything about the subject.
Kind of like Fox news or etc for politics - just more dumber.

Your talking statistics, I am talking survivablity..   How many more sherman crew members killed to a panthers.  What killed that take was 3 shots and still most of the crew got away.  I dont care if my tank wins more battles.   What matters is if I can survive the battle

[JunkyII]

Butcher...been in a lot of battles aye?

Many factors play into winning battles......Terrain, Combat Power, air support, even morale. To say first the fight is decided by who sees who first is very ignorant.

[Butcher]

Many factors play into winning battles......Terrain, Combat Power, air support, even morale. To say first the fight is decided by who sees who first is very ignorant.

Yes Junky there are thousands of factors to winning a battle, you are correct that much.

[WWhiskey]

Well it had a pretty good run,,,for being such a sorry piece of junk!
From Wiki

After the end of the Second World War, large numbers of surplus Shermans were supplied to other nations, but primarily to South America and the Middle East. Israel became the largest post-war user of Sherman tanks, conducting extensive modifications to keep them in front line service right up into the early 1970s as tanks, mobile artillery pieces, armored ambulances and more. Many saw action in the 1973 October War. Similar modifications and purchases of Israeli-modified Shermans were done in South America where they served on as the last fighting Shermans right up until 1989.


It was a medium tank,, it was all we had,, and it pretty much did the job!

In the game, I love it,, better optics in the 76 than the panzer, higher rate of fire in the 75mm variant,, and the best HE round of all tanks in game,,,   It is a bit to tall ,and easily spotted   But if you know what your doing with it,, it's not hard to get lots of kills with.