Does this ever happen to you.

[olds442]

I have this weird issue that I can not seem to overcome. In the DA I can pretty much hold my own against most. Im actually a pretty good if I do say so myself maybe in the top 200. However all of that is lost as SOON as I hit the MA. Even in 1v1s against planes that I should have no time beating (spits, 109s, p51s etc). I do just stupid stuff and almost always lose 1v1 fights. However If its a clear disadvantage (5v1 or what have you) Im all of a sudden much better. I don't get it? maybe its because I think im already going to get shot down so why care lets pull out all the stuff. But in a MA 1v1 for some reason I get way too timid or way to bad and yank the controls all over the place. Its hard to explain really but its quite annoying winning 5v1s then dieing in a 1v1s. No idea what is happening here.

[Ack-Ack]

When dueling in the DA, you are not fighting dissimilar aircraft (unless the duel is set up that way) unlike the MA.  In addition, in the DA the other variables like fuel, ammo load, altitude for merge are also agreed upon to make sure the fight is as equal as can be.  So that 1v1 you have in the MA might not have the same variables as the duel you had in the DA. 

Im actually a pretty good if I do say so myself

Don't dislocate your arm patting yourself on the back.

ack-ack

[Tank-Ace]

I blow in the DA for some reason. Something about starting from near perfectly equal position and energy throws me off. That being said, I typically do just fine in the MA; my biggest problem is that I lose out on a lot of kills due to my horrific aim.


1v1, I seem to win just a bit over half of them, regardless of if I start out with the advantage or not. About 1/2-2/3rds of my losses are because I met someone who was simply a better pilot, and 1/3-1/2 of my losses are because I just did something dumb or careless  .

In 4,5+ v 1's, theres really no consistency; those particular numbers can cover a wide range of situations. I've had times where I've simply had my hand forced by (numbers, fuel, position, *insert term*) and end up running below tree level, and there have been times when I've been untouchable and all those before my guns fell.

[olds442]

When dueling in the DA, you are not fighting dissimilar aircraft (unless the duel is set up that way) unlike the MA.  In addition, in the DA the other variables like fuel, ammo load, altitude for merge are also agreed upon to make sure the fight is as equal as can be.  So that 1v1 you have in the MA might not have the same variables as the duel you had in the DA.  

Don't dislocate your arm patting yourself on the back.

ack-ack

Don't dislocate your jaw yapping like that in every thread when someone simply asks a question you feel the need to flame them.

[M0nkey_Man]

Don't dislocate your jaw yapping like that in every thread when someone simply asks a question you feel the need to flame them.

I think it was the "Im actually a pretty good if I do say so myself maybe in the top 200." that kinda brought it on you

[olds442]

I think it was the "Im actually a pretty good if I do say so myself maybe in the top 200." that kinda brought it on you

I mean in a 1v1 where everything is controlled... I probally worded that wrong you're right.

[Shane]

Two things are happening - which are basically the same, really. Target fixation. In the DA it's just that one you can focus on. In the 1 V 5 - you're the one being focused on and like you said, wtfgas (or however it comes out filtered, or not, lol.)

In that MA 1v1 you're pushing too hard against opponents who might not do what you expect, and probably won't be alone for long, so when you don't get that quick aggressive kill, the luxury of an extended scissors ain't gonna happen, so you break away. You need to polish up your e-fighting tactics.

The MA is a much more complex game of aerial chess than the DA. You need to develop your SA where you can better assess both what it will take to get this immediate opponent poofied and to also deal with those approaching threats. In essence, you need more 1v2 or 3 situations with disparate planes and altitude set ups.

Expand your control from your gunsight to your overall space. I don't know your preferred flight/fight parameters. I've mostly been a lone wolf trying to manage smaller chunks of hordes on the waysides. Furballing requires an entirely different strategy... it's death to commit and get slow unless you're working with someone(s) and can rely on them to read the situation. Not that getting slow and dying is a bad thing.

[BaldEagl]

Funny but I'm mostly the opposite.

1 on 1 in the MA I almost always win.
1 vs many in the MA I can usually give a good showing.
Called out or calling someone out to the DA I usually win.
Dueling bracket comes along and I can't fight to save my life.

I think it's mostly mental but how to get past it is the problem.

[olds442]

Two things are happening - which are basically the same, really. Target fixation. In the DA it's just that one you can focus on. In the 1 V 5 - you're the one being focused on and like you said, wtfgas (or however it comes out filtered, or not, lol.)

In that MA 1v1 you're pushing too hard against opponents who might not do what you expect, and probably won't be alone for long, so when you don't get that quick aggressive kill, the luxury of an extended scissors ain't gonna happen, so you break away. You need to polish up your e-fighting tactics.

The MA is a much more complex game of aerial chess than the DA. You need to develop your SA where you can better assess both what it will take to get this immediate opponent poofied and to also deal with those approaching threats. In essence, you need more 1v2 or 3 situations with disparate planes and altitude set ups.

Expand your control from your gunsight to your overall space. I don't know your preferred flight/fight parameters. I've mostly been a lone wolf trying to manage smaller chunks of hordes on the waysides. Furballing requires an entirely different strategy... it's death to commit and get slow unless you're working with someone(s) and can rely on them to read the situation. Not that getting slow and dying is a bad thing.

This makes a lot of sense, I think I may be trying to kill the other guy too fast because I know other cons will soon come along.

[xbrit]

I just watched the film of were you followed my afk plane in a P38 last night, I saw you at the start but you were still about 5k back so wasn't too worried to go afk. I put the plane in a very shallow climb to gain speed and went off to do my thing.
I came back and you were about 3k back and we were near a vbase that was being attacked by your country, I turned towards you but you had turned slightly as though you were going for someone else so I looked down and saw a spit harrassing the guys on the base and started to go lower to help them. He flew too close to a wirble and they took him out before I got there so I looked around and saw you coming in on my 6 still about 1k out. It looked like you had throttled back in the dive because you didn't seem too fast, after you missed with you initial burst you went up and over, I still had plenty of E so followed you, again you missed when we merged again and you went diving out. That's when I got the first hits on you , I followed you around and got more hits into you and finally you climbed and rolled left at the top but that put you right infront of my guns.
To be honest I think you suffered from the same as me a bad aim, I would win plenty more fights if my aim was better. You had position twice and missed both times so that gave me the advantage because when you missed the second time you lost your position.
I'm not knocking you it's just how I saw it. Like I said my aim is really bad as well. If you didn't film it and need a copy just PM me and I'll send it.

[Scca]

Think about how your DA fights end...  I don't DA often, but in an intersquad DA ladder I found many of the fights ended with the two of us going low and slow, hardly flying and it was more about how well a person handled flying just above stall and getting guns on than other skills.  If this is how your DA fights go, that may part of the problem. 

In the MA you don't often get the time to get to that low/slow portion of a DA.  Someone comes in and helps one or the other.  The MA as others have said requires a very different fighting style than the DA.  Personally, I don't DA well, but my SA keeps me alive in the MA. 

Disclaimer:
I suxor, take my words with a gain of salt.

[DmonSlyr]

I think a lot of time in the MA it comes down to how well you can manage yours and judge others E in certain situations.

For example, Xbrit just stated that you dove down, missed, and tried to flip back over and try to kill him again, but upon flipping, tried to kill your E while he was going slower than you, this caused him to get inside of you on the loop, and you lost all E causing him to be able to make a shot. instead you should have gone up and used your E to maybe rope him or fly away, regain alt and BnZ again. Just what I read, don't know if accurate.
This type of situation doesn't happen on a regular bases in the DA.

I think from what I understand, is that you are having trouble keeping E and/or judging another pilots E that is attacking you or who you are attacking. (does that make since?) This part takes a lot of experience and years to kinda figure out how fast a plane is going, and what it can do at that speed. So if you get in a 1 v 1 fight with a guy who dove down on you, you gotta keep turning nose down split S until he finally kills E enough to follow you in the turn for the shot, once he follows you, you can pull a quick lag roll maneuver and gain his 6 potentially.

If a guy you are fighting is obviously going slower than you (by you diving on him) make sure you regain alt upon the shoot and pass. You can even pull strait up and back just as long as you know you have more speed and climb than he/she. Don't just cut throttle immediately, flip over instantly, and expect to roll inside of him.

once you get in a legit turn fight then going slow becomes a grand factor. but other than that, until you really get a handle on E states and stall rates of planes and so forth, never assume the guy you are fighting is going to be an easy kill, always fight them like they are the best stick in AH.

Also Nerves come into play in the MA

Like Xbrit said, aiming is huge on being able to get the kill. Generally, not being able to make a shot, causes you to get picked, or have to flip back over and lose E trying to kill them again.

edit: Grammar

[Vinkman]

I have this weird issue that I can not seem to overcome. In the DA I can pretty much hold my own against most. Im actually a pretty good if I do say so myself maybe in the top 200. However all of that is lost as SOON as I hit the MA. Even in 1v1s against planes that I should have no time beating (spits, 109s, p51s etc). I do just stupid stuff and almost always lose 1v1 fights. However If its a clear disadvantage (5v1 or what have you) Im all of a sudden much better. I don't get it? maybe its because I think im already going to get shot down so why care lets pull out all the stuff. But in a MA 1v1 for some reason I get way too timid or way to bad and yank the controls all over the place. Its hard to explain really but its quite annoying winning 5v1s then dieing in a 1v1s. No idea what is happening here.

The DA has different "air" and Planes stall much more easily and are harder to fly in there. I think the atmosphere is made of Hydrogen, Actinium, and Potassium [H.Ac.K.] instead of 'Air'.  Some pilots have found the easter egg button that activates the H.Ac.K "slats" , known as HAcKS, that help them turn better in the thinner atmosphere of the DA. Ask one of them about it.   

[wpeters]

aiming is huge on being able to get the kill. Generally, not being able to make a shot, causes you to get picked, or have to flip back over and lose E trying to kill them again.

A lot of times I have the shot.  Just hold off a half second so that I will not spray the air around them.  When I should have shot and let them into the line  of bullets.

[DmonSlyr]

Sometimes even doing a quick burst on a blind shot is rewarding, however, I wouldn't recommend following them in the nose down turn.