Author Topic: Is Spruce Lighter than Aluminum?  (Read 2593 times)

Offline Brooke

  • Aces High CM Staff
  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 15506
      • http://www.electraforge.com/brooke/
Re: Is Spruce Lighter than Aluminum?
« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2013, 12:57:56 PM »
Stiffness to weight ratio for spruce is about the same as aluminum.  However, stiffness to weight is not always the only thing that goes into materials decisions, depending on what properties you need and what the physical configuration of and use of the part is.

In the case of aircraft, spruce and other woods are obviously decent choices since they were used so much historically, including as pointed out in the Spruce Goose, and other woods in the Mossie.

Sometimes, though, the decision included that wood was available and aluminum was in short supply (a decision that did factor into choice for Mossie and maybe for the Spruce Goose, too).

Offline zack1234

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 13186
Re: Is Spruce Lighter than Aluminum?
« Reply #16 on: December 12, 2013, 01:10:54 PM »
I knew someone called Bruce :old:

He was a bit overweight, he was not a colonial :old:
There are no pies stored in this plane overnight

                          
The GFC
Pipz lived in the Wilderness near Ontario

Offline Acidrain

  • Copper Member
  • **
  • Posts: 120
Re: Is Spruce Lighter than Aluminum?
« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2013, 01:27:13 PM »
smarmy Brits!

Offline LCADolby

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 7287
Re: Is Spruce Lighter than Aluminum?
« Reply #18 on: December 12, 2013, 08:44:04 PM »
The British following elemental naming conventions, shame on them. :rolleyes:
JG5 "Eismeer"
YouTube-20Dolby10
Twitch - Glendinho


HOST: HiTech Shot Down Skyyr Kill#1

Offline Brooke

  • Aces High CM Staff
  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 15506
      • http://www.electraforge.com/brooke/
Re: Is Spruce Lighter than Aluminum?
« Reply #19 on: December 12, 2013, 09:10:48 PM »
The British following elemental naming conventions, shame on them. :rolleyes:

Maybe they should rename oxygen, copper, iron, argon, xenon, bromine, hydrogen, mercury, phosphorus, lead, gold, silver, carbon, tin, sulfur, zinc, arsenic, antimony, cobalt, nickel, bismuth, nitrogen, chlorine, manganese, tungsten, boron, iodine, silicon, and radon, then.  (And they should add an "i" into "platinum", "molybdenum", "tantalum", and "lanthanum".)

There are many "-ium" element names and many that are not.  Davy didn't pick "aluminium", and the British not only didn't pick what he did name it ("aluminum", which fits right in with "platinum", "molybdenum", "tantalum", and "lanthanum") but they didn't even go back to what he originally named it ("alumium") and instead made up their own name to fit their preferences for this one element.

Offline Brooke

  • Aces High CM Staff
  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 15506
      • http://www.electraforge.com/brooke/
Re: Is Spruce Lighter than Aluminum?
« Reply #20 on: December 12, 2013, 09:14:48 PM »
Also, as Davy was British, I guess I shouldn't say that the British decided to rename it, I should say that some portion of the British establishment decided to rename it.

Offline pembquist

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1928
Re: Is Spruce Lighter than Aluminum?
« Reply #21 on: December 12, 2013, 09:20:23 PM »
These days aluminum is lighter on the wallet than aircraft spruce.
Pies not kicks.

Offline HL117

  • Nickel Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 792
      • Aircams
Re: Is Spruce Lighter than Aluminum?
« Reply #22 on: December 12, 2013, 09:38:41 PM »
Below from KingPins reference:

As a rule of thumb, aluminum is three times heavier, but also three times stronger than wood. Steel is again three times heavier and stronger than aluminum.
Whether you think you can or cannot, you are right!

Offline MajWoody

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2137
Re: Is Spruce Lighter than Aluminum?
« Reply #23 on: December 13, 2013, 12:54:14 AM »
The "Spruce Goose" was actually made almost entirely of birch.  :old:


http://www.evergreenmuseum.org/the-museum/aircraft-exhibits/the-spruce-goose/
« Last Edit: December 13, 2013, 12:56:17 AM by MajWoody »
Lets keep the stupid to a minimum.
Old Age and Treachery, will overcome youth and skill EVERYTIME

Offline jeep00

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 924
Re: Is Spruce Lighter than Aluminum?
« Reply #24 on: December 13, 2013, 02:18:37 PM »
Can it be carried by a swallow?

Offline MrRiplEy[H]

  • Persona Non Grata
  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 11633
Re: Is Spruce Lighter than Aluminum?
« Reply #25 on: December 13, 2013, 02:21:30 PM »
I think a pound of aluminium is much heavyer than a pound of spruce  :rolleyes:
Definiteness of purpose is the starting point of all achievement. –W. Clement Stone

Offline Ardy123

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3417
Re: Is Spruce Lighter than Aluminum?
« Reply #26 on: December 13, 2013, 03:07:27 PM »
Can it be carried by a swallow?

African or European?
Yeah, that's right, you just got your rear handed to you by a fuggly puppet!
==Army of Muppets==
(Bunnies)

Offline BaldEagl

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 10791
Re: Is Spruce Lighter than Aluminum?
« Reply #27 on: December 13, 2013, 08:17:12 PM »
If I was building an aireoplane I wood use sprucium.
I edit a lot of my posts.  Get used to it.

Offline HL117

  • Nickel Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 792
      • Aircams
Re: Is Spruce Lighter than Aluminum?
« Reply #28 on: December 13, 2013, 08:57:19 PM »
As prasied by the great designers and builders, the best material is Unatainium.


Few have been able to acquire it.  :D
Whether you think you can or cannot, you are right!

Offline guncrasher

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 17339
Re: Is Spruce Lighter than Aluminum?
« Reply #29 on: December 13, 2013, 11:14:09 PM »
I think a pound of aluminium is much heavyer than a pound of spruce  :rolleyes:

I think a 2x2x6 made of wood weights the same as a 2x2x6 made of aluminum  :rolleyes:.


which reminds me of the old, what weights more a pound of gold or a pound of cotton.  a pound of cotton weights more but an ounce of gold weights more than an ounce of cotton.


semp
you dont want me to ho, dont point your plane at me.