New information layer found in DNA

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you guys think they now know 100% about DNA?


I hope not.....

but this is one step closer to DNA coding....or should I say "quaying the population"....

[guncrasher]

GM crops are big only in the US and are found in most US produced products. Which is why many of them are banned from sales in other countries.

The 'beauty' of Monsantos business model is that it bullies farmers into using their products and even the ones that refuse, will get their fields polluted with GM cross breeding from adjacent fields, after which Monsanto will hit with their lawyers. Twisted, twisted state of affairs.

really? you gonna argue with me about what I buy and where it comes from when you live thousands of miles away?  when was the last time you walked into the stater bro's two blocks from my house?  or the local Chinese fish market?

but for the sake of argument, let's say you are right and the jalapenos with a made in mexico sticker are actually grown here in the united states. or the bananas with a sticker that says grown in some central american country (they keep changing).  what exactly is wrong with with GM products?  me being a dumb american, I would love to learn 




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[FiLtH]

 Hell I eat pink slime burgers, what have I got to say in this matter

[MrRiplEy[H]]

See Rule #4

[mechanic]

[snip] Certain plants have been eaten so much that they have evolved to let their seeds survive the gastrointestinal tract of animals.

Some plants do want to have their seeds eaten because they evolved to survive the stomach acids. This is why some fruits and berries even exist, the plants create the tasty snack so that animal eat them and spread the seeds when they defecate

[DaveBB]

They evolved to have their seeds survive the ride through the gut of animals, because the plants who did not have extra tough-seed coats did not get their genes passed on.  Same with certain trees that can only reproduce if there is a wildfire.  It takes a lot of extra energy to produce specialized seeds. 

[DubiousKB]

The prize is to have sustainable, renewable food sources, with enough yield to supply the world's hunger. I see no problem with attempting to manipulate genetics in order to achieve this goal.

HOWEVER, i liken this case to a child running before learning to walk....   

We may be on the right path, but we are trying to get there too fast...  Not all of the ramifications to our long term health of this genetic alteration are clear. This is what scares me, in today's capitalistic driven world, if those scientists don't produce something that is marketable, they have failed and may be out of a job. This is creating a "rush" scenario in which the long term health affects are not properly documented in favor of getting the product to market.

Furthermore on the topic of Monsanto, being a farmer and growing up in that world, I understand the family farm concept and how big farming is destroying them with something I never thought possible; OWNING /PATENTING A LIVING ORGANISM!!!!

To give an example, this is like if I had the rights/patent to a Bull Cow, and I let that Bull cow loose in another mans herd of cattle.  After my Bull has impregnated all the cattle, i then goto that farmer with my legal team and say, all of your offspring are belong to us. It's INSANE.

Genetic Modification and yield increases are required if we as a planet plan on feeding ourselves. I think we just need to be a bit more cautious in our approach as to ensure we're not running before we know how to properly walk.

my 2 cents....

[Bizman]

They evolved to have their seeds survive the ride through the gut of animals, because the plants who did not have extra tough-seed coats did not get their genes passed on.  Same with certain trees that can only reproduce if there is a wildfire.  It takes a lot of extra energy to produce specialized seeds. 

An important thing to consider from the plant's point of view is that the seeds should not fall right under the plant. If they did, they would compete for the growth resources with the mother plant. Some plants grow wings on their seed, some other make animals carry them around. As a bonus the latter get a free dose of fertilizer for their seed. If plants could think, I'd call that clever!

[Vulcan]

If Monsantos or some other company can develop a disease resistant, drought resistant, complete protein, essential fatty acid producing crop by manipulating the genes, I'm all for it.

Monsanto are outright evil.

[warhed]

Monsanto never sued anybody over small cross pollination. They aren't "evil."

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2012/10/18/163034053/top-five-myths-of-genetically-modified-seeds-busted

[MrRiplEy[H]]

Monsanto never sued anybody over small cross pollination. They aren't "evil."

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2012/10/18/163034053/top-five-myths-of-genetically-modified-seeds-busted

Are you daft? They threaten with legal action and small farmers have no choice but settle or stop farming. They can't afford legal fees.

So no, nobody decided to risk their life and fight a losing fight against a huge corporation lol.

Also round-up is found to be toxic and accumulate in the soil. It's nasty stuff.

[guncrasher]

Are you daft? They threaten with legal action and small farmers have no choice but settle or stop farming. They can't afford legal fees.

So no, nobody decided to risk their life and fight a losing fight against a huge corporation lol.

Also round-up is found to be toxic and accumulate in the soil. It's nasty stuff.

a lot of farmers are being sued because they bought monsanto's seeds.  then kept some of the seeds from the crop to replant next years crops and subsequent crops without paying royalties to montsanto.

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[NatCigg]

An important thing to consider from the plant's point of view is that the seeds should not fall right under the plant. If they did, they would compete for the growth resources with the mother plant. Some plants grow wings on their seed, some other make animals carry them around. As a bonus the latter get a free dose of fertilizer for their seed. If plants could think, I'd call that clever!

have you met the vileness pine tree yet?  not only does he spike animals with thorns and nasty sharp edges he oozes gew to suffocate bugs and also spreads toxic growth hormones so nothing else can grow around him.  What a grump. 

Not quite as bad as monsonto who has enginered crops so that almost all the food we eat has also been sprayed by monsontos own death spray.  furthermore he has added insecticides that slowly causes the dysfunction of any insect that decides to eat or pollinate that plant. 

[Vulcan]

Monsanto never sued anybody over small cross pollination. They aren't "evil."

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2012/10/18/163034053/top-five-myths-of-genetically-modified-seeds-busted

Not sure if you're plain stupid or didn't read the article you posted:

So why is this a myth? It's certainly true that Monsanto has been going after farmers whom the company suspects of using GMO seeds without paying royalties. And there are plenty of cases — including Schmeiser's — in which the company has overreached, engaged in raw intimidation, and made accusations that turned out not to be backed up by evidence.

[guncrasher]

Not sure if you're plain stupid or didn't read the article you posted:

the thing is that Schneider did use monsants seeds.  he even admitted to it in his explanation.  even by his own tests his crop had over 50% of their seeds.


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