Black Fish.

[Rich46yo]

http://blackfishmovie.com/

I went to Sea World once and that was last year. We were down in TX. and were looking for something to do while visiting my son in USAF so we went. I never even saw the orcas cause the exhibit was closed. I did see a bunch of dolphins in a bath tub exhibit and found the thing disgusting. After watching this film I cant believe these crap holes are allowed to exist because its so cruel to the animals. Let alone the trainers who might end up in the belly of one.

So for no other reason other then profit and the ego of the trainers these animals are kept in these terrible conditions. No wonder they go nuts.

Anyway its also on Netflix and worth a sit thru. I'll never give another dime to a place like Sea World.

[USRanger]

A very good watch.  Several singers and celebrities have cancelled their appearances this coming year after seeing the documentary.

[Shuffler]

I suggest you educate yourself before speaking up about Sea World. That film is terribly lopsided and misleading. The maker had an agenda and it was not the truth. The truth would allow the viewer to come to their on conclusion..... not have it spoon fed to them.

[Rich46yo]

I suggest you educate yourself before speaking up about Sea World. That film is terribly lopsided and misleading. The maker had an agenda and it was not the truth. The truth would allow the viewer to come to their on conclusion..... not have it spoon fed to them.

Well whatever you do dont mention whats "terribly lopsided and misleading" or what the "truth" is. Sea World didnt either, instead they refused to participate in the film.

Spend money to trap highly intelligent marine animals, keep them in a bath to to perform circus acts for $$$$, sell the jizz of one who has killed 3 already "again for big $$$", and then spin the story every time one of them kills or maims cause they have gone nuts. See? I came to my own conclusion easily. Of course I knew it was all a cruel circus act for $$ even before I saw the film.

If there is some other motive for this kind of cruelty and disregard for the safety of your own employees by all means tell us.

[bigsky]

Even before I watched this movie I had mind made up about Seaworld. The only reason they get away with how they treat the animals in that 19 century circus is they do not have legs. When I was a kid back in 1978 or 1979 I went to the one in Orlando. What I remember most is the dolphins were kept in 2 feet of water and they looked like they were waiting for the sushi chef to show up and put them out of their misery. The movie was what I expected, but I did not know that many trainers were killed or injured for your entertainment.

[FLOOB]

Hey lets ride on an imprisoned animal that's known to eat great white sharks!

[sunfan1121]

I suggest you educate yourself before speaking up about Sea World. That film is terribly lopsided and misleading. The maker had an agenda and it was not the truth. The truth would allow the viewer to come to their on conclusion..... not have it spoon fed to them.

This issue is black and white . Orcas should not be held in captivity. Just look at the dorsal fin of a captive killer whale. That's not how it's supposed to look. 

[Rich46yo]

Still waiting shuffler for the "other side" of the argument.

Killer whales are not threatened, have never been hunted by man "except for display", there is no ecological reason to store them in animal parks. Like in zoos who have breeding programs for endangered animals as a hedge against extinction and to keep their genealogy strong. There is a stable population of over 50,000 orcas in the wild so why else would they capture them and keep them in bath tubs? Then break up what family they have to send them to other parks in order to sell even more Shamu stuffed animals? Did you even see that mother when they took her baby because the baby was causing problems with the circus act?

Hell, at least most zoos make an attempt to give their animals a habitat and stable life. At Sea World "The show must go on" so they throw these highly intelligent animals together, some of whom get injured and killed by other orcas because they dont have stable family units. So they are not only kept in bath tubs but also conditions that are brutal to them and totally foreign to their species.

Its really a disgusting story. Now this is a article I found that disputes in the film and its thesis http://melissaasmith.hubpages.com/hub/blackfish-film . In it, if you read it closely enough, the writer doesnt make one single point that makes any sense, or has any bearing. All he seems to say is "the producers are stupid animal lovers" and he continues to blather on with stuff like how we dont know if orcas will attack humans in the wild cause we havnt swam with them enough in the open ocean. WTF is he talking about?

Sure the film was made by the bambi crowd, who else is going to give a damn about these animals? At least enough to make the film. Heres the thing tho, Im a hunter/conversationalist, a guy who believes whales should be hunted as long as their populations are stable and strong, and I still agree with the Bambi crowd on this. I think it would be better to kill the orcas then keep them like this. And better still just let them live free and leave them alone. Cruelty to animals is mean spirited. Cruelty and greed is even worse. I piss on Sea World.

[Rich46yo]

Sea World stock prices. The little fish in the graph reflect the release dates of the film Black Fish.

[BuckShot]

I wonder if aquatic mammals taste like fish; seals, whales, dolphins. Anyone ever tried one?

[FLOOB]

This film is offensive as it reinforces negative stereotypes about white people. It may be called black fish but the two words that kept coming to mind as those poor naive trainers were talking to the camera were "white people".  

[Rich46yo]

I wonder if aquatic mammals taste like fish; seals, whales, dolphins. Anyone ever tried one?

Apparently whale is quite tasty.

[Gman]

BlackFish did a good job of making Seaworld look bad, and I asked myself "is this the typical CNN chop piece, and is the truth someplace in the middle?" while watching it a couple months ago when it first aired.  Now, rewatching it on Netflix, I still can't answer that, as like Rich pointed out, SeaWorld STILL hasn't responded to the allegations made in the documentary. 

Where do we as humans draw the line?  A: Animals are either here for us to use, or they aren't.  B: Some animals have more "sentience" than others, or more "intelligence", and should be in a separate category, and treated accordinly  C: Animals are all our equals, and we should just leave ALL of them alone.

If the case can be made that keeping Orca's in captivity is wrong, shouldn't the same be said for all the millions of horses kept in captivity?  They are subject to the same breeding techniques as the whales, the same captivity in corrals, the same veterinarian procedures, the are separated from their young for breeding purposes, they are sometimes eaten, or sold to the glue factory, they are used in entertainment shows like rodeos, horses races, and hundreds of other things......

[bigsky]

I think it is about domestication. The Navy has tried it with mixed results. These sea mammals do not want to obey because they are smart. Horses can be smart but the ornery disobedient ones become dog food. The horse has been domesticated about as long as the cat. How trainable are cats?

[dentin]

Apparently whale is quite tasty.

as is dog..shame on you IF you don't get my "drift"