Bring on the night

[Drano]

Your not getting what IM saying....ALL I SAID IS I LIKE IT. 

No I totally get that! Hell you're a paying subscriber just like me and you're entitiled to your opinion. What I'M saying is that it has absolutely no place in the main arenas. This isn't my opinion--we've been there already. As I've also said, HTC has given you all the tools to make your own arena using whatever map you might like, whatever time you might like, hell you can even blot out the moon if ya want and make it darker still. You like the night? No problem! Have at it there. Just don't be thinking that night will be--and I'm putting it nicely here--be well recieved by the real "us" in the main arenas. It'd be the very definition of insanity.

Look at it this way. This game is hard enough in the light of day. At night a new player might be completely discouraged/overwhelmed and just straight up leave and never come back. At a time when our numbers seem to be dwindling we can scarcely afford to have new players coming into the game having negative experiences. I don't speak for HTC but I gotta think they've factored this in. There's a reason we haven't gone back to night in all these years and it likely wasn't because it was forgotten or that we needed a couple of guys to bring it back for "us".

We did this before. It really sucked. IT MADE PEOPLE LEAVE! THAT'S NOT COOL!!!!

I thought I'd put that on a line by itself so you could maybe read it thru 3 or 4 times in a row and maybe you'll get what I'M saying. I don't want night in the main arenas anymore than I like dawn or dusk. IMO that's BS too. I only get to fly a couple of hours the nights I get to fly. I used to be on every night but like bob Seeger says--I get a little weary when the workday is done--nowadays. Now I might get 3 nights a week. So I feel a bit screwed when I log on as I have the last couple of weeks and every friggin time it's either like 5:15 PM or the sun has just come up. People on range could tell ya I've made no bones about how I feel about that. Either way it means I'm flying in the danged near darkness the whole time I might be logged on, which is prime time eastern half US. But as much as this pisses me off I know it could probably be worse---it could actually get all the way to night!

 I'm for day going to maybe 4:30 and reverting right to 8AM!

Bring on the light I say! Who's with me?!

[DREDIOCK]

yes, and? WWII daylight fighters still didn't fight at night.

And that has always been the poorest of arguments not to have night in game. Or for that matter to not have night fighters like the P61 in game
We have all sorts of things that we both do and have here that WWII planes, and for that matter GVs didnt do.

Dive bombing heavy bombers. Maybe happened a small handfull of times in WWII. Here its common.
Heavy bombers also didnt fly around at low altitudes inviting everyone to come shoot therm down.

For that matter if you want to use the "Daytime fighters" argument.
Daytime fighters didnt have on board radar. Which all planes and GVs have here. That was pretty much reserved for....Night time fighters.
They also didnt have little numbers floating around them to tell the pilots if the planes were in gunnery range or not.

Most knocked out tanks werent taken out by a single planes guns. When that happened it was usually by a group of planes. Most tanks were taken out by bombs.

Tanks were able to hit things so consistently at ranges  that make the target look like a small dot even at full zoom in ways that would make an M1 Abrams envious. A single base couldn't support an unlimited number of planes all at once and larger heavy bombers usually needed a large field.

Point is there are all sorts of things that are done or we have in game that are anything but conventional to how things were or were done in WWII.

so the argument of "WWII daylight fighters still didn't fight at night." is illegitimate at best.

And even with that your claim isn't accurate as there are several instances of daylight fighters being used at night. For example A number of Lightnings were modified as night fighters. There were several field or experimental modifications with different equipment fits that finally led to the "formal" P-38M night fighter, or Night Lightning. A total of 75 P-38Ls were modified to the Night Lightning configuration, painted flat-black with conical flash hiders on the guns.

That number of 75 alone for one single plane dwarfs the total number of flights heavy bombers were used as dive bombers in WWII

[Drano]

Then, Drano, I belong to category D) WAS here when it happened but didn't tweak my system, neither did any of my buddies because it would've been against our sportsmanship code. Depending on the situation, we either flew solo, had a night mission or defended our fields. It was fun doing a NOE mission trying not to hit the mountains!

You talked about milkrunning without being seen. IMO the red icons will shine like neon lights in the dark. The dar bar and dots don't go anywhere. If there's people in the tower just sitting and watching the sky turn red, it's their loss. If people really left the arenas in droves as you put it, it would have affected all countries, leaving each the opportunity to try to take empty fields in the dark. Statistically no country benefited in such a situation. Besides, that's how it works even in daylight conditions during the off-hours when it's prime time either on the Atlantic or the Pacific, or in the Far East except for Japan for that matter. A disciplined and well oriented group could win entire maps during those hours! Unlike the damage that could be done during a 15 minutes darkness.

Yeah when it was happening I was one of those too. Never changed anything. Thought I'd give it a chance. Right up until I logged. But ya gotta admit--you'd never get more than about 1% to be the good sports in the MAs today.

[DREDIOCK]

it's stupid to think that people were actually gonna play in the night.  on xmas people were complaining that they couldn't see and others were telling them to up their gamma.



if you want to play in the night just lower your gamma.



semp

Dont know where you were flying but I have an hours worth of film that shows exactly 1 person who said they couldn't see.
So I call your claim BS

[DREDIOCK]

Night=beyond stupid.

 Want to play at night? Make your own custom arena and make it night 24/7 if you want. I can assure you it'll be mostly empty almost all of that time. There is not--repeat--NOT--a lot of people that are clammoring for this. I'm not just talking smack. I've been here a long while. This has all happened before. I was here then. It sucked. No--it really, really sucked. People left the night arenas in droves. Why? Because it sucked. I see nothing positive from giving people a reason to not play our game. It's not fun flying in the dark--you can't see. Upping your gamma isn't the answer. If you're upping your gamma to make it brighter--like day, duh--you're not really flying in the dark now are ye? If you claim you're not doing that and are still able to see "at night" then you're either lying or there's something really wrong with your graphics settings. Where I live the sky is pretty dark at night. Like--black dark.

I just gotta shake my head when this comes up every few months like it's never happened before. Get over it. It SUCKED! It's NOT a new idea. It SUCKED!

Seriously.

And there is not--I reapeat NOT-- alot of people clamoring against it either. Just the same old tired voices. Who may have had something resembling a point 7 years ago with the way night was modeled. But the way its modeled now...not so much.

I've been here a long while too. and I didnt think it sucked then. and I think it sucks even less now because the old claims no longer hold true. You just refuse to consider you just might not have your monitor set up correctly

[DREDIOCK]

No dude--it's a handful. A handful. And almost all of those are people that either A) weren't here when it happened and don't know better, or B) people that WERE here when it happened before and just tweaked their systems to make it more like day, or C) people that were here when it happened and just wanted to do milkruns without being seen. Period. They're the only people that could possibly think it'd be "cool".

I was here when we did this before and I'm telling you it wasn't a handful of people that just logged when it happened. It was most of the arena every time. You're not gonna tell me different because I know better.

Like I said--make your own arena. You can do that. And watch the world beat a path to your door.

I was here
Yes a lot of people logged. That I will agree.
But night was done differently then too. It is vastly improved now.
And many who were here then. Are in fact no longer here to have to worry about them logging.

and by comparison. I only see a "handful" arguing against it now. Not the other way around.

[guncrasher]

Dont know where you were flying but I have an hours worth of film that shows exactly 1 person who said they couldn't see.
So I call your claim BS

were you flying next to me for that full hour?


semp

[DREDIOCK]

Graphics has nothing to do with it. If it's "night" ya shouldn't be able to see. It's dark! Duh! If you're tweaking your "graphics" to make it "look better" then you aren't flying at night--in the dark. At night it's dark. If it's dark you can't see. If you can't see you can't fight. So what's the point of flying in the dark in an air combat game? That was the conclusion of this experiment long, long ago. It sucked. That's why it hasn't been repeated other than neato Santa nights. We tried it. It didn't come close to working out. Not even close.

I live about 4 miles off the end of a runway at a local airport. At night, if the planes that fly past didn't have their nav lights on--I wouldn't be able to see them. That's realistic. I wouldn't expect to. So why would you expect to see planes flying in the dark with no nav lights on (as we don't model them) here? And whatever graphics your PC is able to produce--I'm pretty sure it ain't up to the mark 1 human eyeball.

Harvest Moon.

That is the effect night has now.
You do know what a harvest moon is right?

When they used to harvest crops by handThey used to be able to harvest crops during this because the effect make it light enough to see,
This is a harvest moon and the effect it has.


See. Its night time. Can you see?

[DREDIOCK]

were you flying next to me for that full hour?


semp

Oh Im sorry. You were flying along all those masses you claim were complaining about night.
I didnt hear thos complaints on Vox but for one person. And I didnt see any mass complaints on the text buffer.
If your complaint claims were even remotely true. It would have been widespread and not simply relegated to where you were.

Or maybe its just the the people Im around simply dont whine as much...Birds of a feather and all that

And here. I see two people saying nay

[guncrasher]

Harvest Moon.

That is the effect night has now.
You do know what a harvest moon is right?

When they used to harvest crops by handThey used to be able to harvest crops during this because the effect make it light enough to see,
This is a harvest moon and the effect it has.
(Image removed from quote.)

See. Its night time. Can you see?

we should turn off all the lights in the city during harvest moon.  imagine all the money we could save.  why didnt anybody else think of that?  boy you are smart  .



semp

[BaldEagl]

The way it used to be I used to log too until I learned to turn up my gamma.  Then I could prey on those who had been like me and couldn't see anything. 

I rememeber one "night" I looked at my instrument panel and I was flying upside down and didn't realize it.  The only fun place to play before learning the gamma trick was around field fires so you had a little bit of light and a reference point.

While the gamma trick made seeing easier it would have to be turned back down once you left the game (or "daylight" returned) or everything would wash out.  I really don't like having to adjust my monitor back and forth just to play a game.

I don't mind dusk and dawn and they could even make those longer but night went away for a reason.  Everyone would log out.

[Sunka]

My dad don't like driving at night cause he is old and cant see.
I love driving at night cause i can see fine as im not OLD.

Kind of like these arguments against night....old old old.  

I love you guys..i really do,but its the same few (older) players that complain about this stuff.

[Sunka]

No I totally get that! Hell you're a paying subscriber just like me and you're entitiled to your opinion. What I'M saying is that it has absolutely no place in the main arenas. This isn't my opinion--we've been there already. As I've also said, HTC has given you all the tools to make your own arena using whatever map you might like, whatever time you might like, hell you can even blot out the moon if ya want and make it darker still. You like the night? No problem! Have at it there. Just don't be thinking that night will be--and I'm putting it nicely here--be well recieved by the real "us" in the main arenas. It'd be the very definition of insanity.

Look at it this way. This game is hard enough in the light of day. At night a new player might be completely discouraged/overwhelmed and just straight up leave and never come back. At a time when our numbers seem to be dwindling we can scarcely afford to have new players coming into the game having negative experiences. I don't speak for HTC but I gotta think they've factored this in. There's a reason we haven't gone back to night in all these years and it likely wasn't because it was forgotten or that we needed a couple of guys to bring it back for "us".

We did this before. It really sucked. IT MADE PEOPLE LEAVE! THAT'S NOT COOL!!!!

I thought I'd put that on a line by itself so you could maybe read it thru 3 or 4 times in a row and maybe you'll get what I'M saying. I don't want night in the main arenas anymore than I like dawn or dusk. IMO that's BS too. I only get to fly a couple of hours the nights I get to fly. I used to be on every night but like bob Seeger says--I get a little weary when the workday is done--nowadays. Now I might get 3 nights a week. So I feel a bit screwed when I log on as I have the last couple of weeks and every friggin time it's either like 5:15 PM or the sun has just come up. People on range could tell ya I've made no bones about how I feel about that. Either way it means I'm flying in the danged near darkness the whole time I might be logged on, which is prime time eastern half US. But as much as this pisses me off I know it could probably be worse---it could actually get all the way to night!

 I'm for day going to maybe 4:30 and reverting right to 8AM!

Bring on the light I say! Who's with me?!

Lots and lots of words to say ......(I don't like night)

[GhostCDB]

I don't like night. . . I like pie.

 

[DREDIOCK]

The way it used to be I used to log too until I learned to turn up my gamma.  Then I could prey on those who had been like me and couldn't see anything. 

I rememeber one "night" I looked at my instrument panel and I was flying upside down and didn't realize it.  The only fun place to play before learning the gamma trick was around field fires so you had a little bit of light and a reference point.

While the gamma trick made seeing easier it would have to be turned back down once you left the game (or "daylight" returned) or everything would wash out.  I really don't like having to adjust my monitor back and forth just to play a game.

I don't mind dusk and dawn and they could even make those longer but night went away for a reason.  Everyone would log out.

thing is. the way night is modeled now. You dont need to turn up the gamma. If you need to turn up the gamma the way its done now. It was already set wrong to begin with