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Offline BaldEagl

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Re: Bring on the night
« Reply #60 on: December 27, 2013, 12:14:30 AM »
thing is. the way night is modeled now. You dont need to turn up the gamma. If you need to turn up the gamma the way its done now. It was already set wrong to begin with

I never have been able to fly Christmas Eve and see Santa or the current version of night because that's when our family gets together however I see the screen shots posted each year.

If there had never been night in AH (now you have to pretend you've never seen it) and you went to the Wishlist forum and posted a wish for night (a regular occurance there btw... now back to pretending you've never seen it) can you imagine the response you'd get?  People would call you stupid.  Why would you want to fly around not being able to see anything?  Remember again, no one's experienced it yet, but I can predict the responses.

As I said, it still comes up regularily in the Wishlist forum, mostly to a negatively leaning response and most of that from those who have been there (in the past).  I could see a somewhat darker period between dusk and dawn than we see now and a little more long lasting but that's about it.  True night?  No.  I'm looking at it out of my real life window now and I can't see anything except what's lit.  I can't even see the trees across the street from me.
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Re: Bring on the night
« Reply #61 on: December 27, 2013, 02:06:55 AM »
were you flying next to me for that full hour?


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Even my "outdated, middle of the road computer" has no problem with night. What was your issue?  :lol

I understand that some people have concerns, and I still suggest that we test the idea again in the MA with short nighttime cycles a few times a day for a week or so. Just to see how it works.
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Re: Bring on the night
« Reply #62 on: December 27, 2013, 03:12:43 AM »
in fact, just a few posts down in the wishlist right now:  http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,357338.0.html
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Re: Bring on the night
« Reply #63 on: December 27, 2013, 05:48:47 AM »
so the argument of "WWII daylight fighters still didn't fight at night." is illegitimate at best.

Its a completely obvious and legit argument and anything you say doesn't counter the fact that dogfighting didn't happen at night.

I was there and I turned the gamma up. I even had a hotkey preset with my video card driver, while half of the arena logged or waited in the tower.

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Re: Bring on the night
« Reply #64 on: December 27, 2013, 06:05:51 AM »
Its a completely obvious and legit argument and anything you say doesn't counter the fact that dogfighting didn't happen at night.

I was there and I turned the gamma up. I even had a hotkey preset with my video card driver, while half of the arena logged or waited in the tower.

Go fly offline and set the arena time to night. I personally can see just about everything I could during the "day".
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Re: Bring on the night
« Reply #65 on: December 27, 2013, 07:05:38 AM »
Go fly offline and set the arena time to night. I personally can see just about everything I could during the "day".

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Re: Bring on the night
« Reply #66 on: December 27, 2013, 07:34:28 AM »
I never have been able to fly Christmas Eve and see Santa or the current version of night because that's when our family gets together however I see the screen shots posted each year.

If there had never been night in AH (now you have to pretend you've never seen it) and you went to the Wishlist forum and posted a wish for night (a regular occurance there btw... now back to pretending you've never seen it) can you imagine the response you'd get?  People would call you stupid.  Why would you want to fly around not being able to see anything?  Remember again, no one's experienced it yet, but I can predict the responses.

As I said, it still comes up regularily in the Wishlist forum, mostly to a negatively leaning response and most of that from those who have been there (in the past).  I could see a somewhat darker period between dusk and dawn than we see now and a little more long lasting but that's about it.  True night?  No.  I'm looking at it out of my real life window now and I can't see anything except what's lit.  I can't even see the trees across the street from me.

See thats the thing. If all you remember is how night time used to be modeled and didnt like it before. And havent experienced it first hand how its done now, then yea. You are going to rally against it.
The way it is now is different. Yes the sky is dark. But from the air you can see the ground at about the same intensity as we get during dusk/dawn.

Aircraft icons stick out like a sore thumb against the nighttime sky and while it is difficult to see the planes dots at long ranges.  At maneuvering ranges you can see, and what the planes are doing as they become somewhat illuminated by the moonlight.

I didnt mind night the last time. But I still think its much MUCH better the way its done now. Not ony that but the game itself ran smoother for me. I was getting frame rates of 75 in a furball when normally they drop to as they were last night at around 45.

This isnt like the old days when a lot of people had to turn their gamma up. Now if you had to turn your gamma up it was probably already set too low to begin with. And if you have to turn it up its not by much and turning it up a lot really provides no real benefit or advantage
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Re: Bring on the night
« Reply #67 on: December 27, 2013, 07:41:40 AM »
Its a completely obvious and legit argument and anything you say doesn't counter the fact that dogfighting didn't happen at night.

I was there and I turned the gamma up. I even had a hotkey preset with my video card driver, while half of the arena logged or waited in the tower.

No it isnt because we have so many other things that happen here that didnt happen in WWII. I listed some of them. Those instances in themselves make your entire argument illegitimate.

Fact too is that many missions did happen at night particularly for bombers and adapted fighters that were used to intercept them.
It wasnt a daylight only air war

And while they may have needed to log or wait then, or turn their gamma way up. Now this is not the case
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Re: Bring on the night
« Reply #68 on: December 27, 2013, 10:44:47 AM »
 Do it in the MA, the ones that hate the night can go enjoy another arena for a short while, like Mid War, Early War, WWI, or go hide under their bed and wait for the sun to come back out. The Hi-Tech team worked really hard on those arenas too, when was the last time you enjoyed them? Many people logged after santa left, BECAUSE IT WAS CHRISTMAS DAY, that was the only reason they were there. Many were probably pissing off family members just to see santa. You can not use that as an honest claim against having night time. Ohhhh here is a novel idea why don't we put up a vote. Like when they give us a new plane... or will you collectively elect the effing JU-52 3m, hold on to your seats... its 70 KTAS slower than the goon. (ok now I am rambling)

 Guess what they call night in the real aviation world?... IFR (Instrument Flight Rules) Even I can't make this up. So yes you are going to have to rely on your instruments, just like a real pilot. Tweak your monitors, or just calibrate them in the first place. 99% of the daily use monitors I see are not even calibrated. (Just type calibrate in the start bar before this starts a help topic) Even though people work on them 6+ hours a day. Adjust the gamma on the clipboard, game the game, or whatever you do.

 WWII day fighters did not fight at night is NOT an argument, that is just stating a redundant fact. Also, saying dog fighting did not happen at night is either dense, misinformed, or just outright lying to yourself and us. It happened frequently on the western front. Maybe the Vichy French did not have experience with it, but the Commonwealth, American, and Germans sure did. I guess Discovery Wings Channel never made it across the pond. Multiple interviews were aired on this channel about night fighting, and how scary it was. One I recall included a Mossie pilot finding his target by get this... the flames out of his adversary's exhaust and then twisting and turning the night away in the dark trying to shoot each other down, that sure sounds like dogfighting to me. This was done BEFORE the radar birds. There were times that missions ran late or started early and they had to deal with night, even pilots that did not have night ratings. The English were rationing petroleum like you would not believe, and one way they got bombers back that were late at night, was to torch tons of gasoline in ditches or rudimentary pipes lining the runway so the bombers could land. There were night fighter derivatives of the planes already existing in the game. The 110 has flame arrestors on it to prevent seeing the exhaust at night, in this game! The plane takes a 5-10 ktas hit just for that.

 WWII fighters also did not have a magic clipboard with dots with friendlies on it. Night is fun... for a little bit, so let us have it. :bhead

Do people not know about the gamma adjustment on the clipboard? I use this as the sun changes during its cycle already, or if I go from fighters, to GV's. You should not have to adjust your monitor and its settings between the cycle of day and night, especially the night we had this Christmas. While your back there might as well degauss that CRT. I recall being over 12k on a bomb run no problem looking through the pipe.

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Re: Bring on the night
« Reply #69 on: December 27, 2013, 11:23:32 AM »
Years ago when we did have night people DID vote. They left in droves! The last time this topic came up and there were a number of people who kept pushing for night and even argued with HiTech about they soon good booted when they wouldn't calm down about it. Some very nasty things were said to cause it but it proves it if a volatile subject and 5 hat HTC Most likely will not run night in the mains other than special occasions.

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Re: Bring on the night
« Reply #70 on: December 27, 2013, 11:44:10 AM »
Its a completely obvious and legit argument and anything you say doesn't counter the fact that dogfighting didn't happen at night.


Well, not entirely true, The luftwaffe did scramble single seat fighters in defense of cities vs. night-time bombers.  They would look for bombers caught in the spotlights.

As for a night period in the game.....throw one in for a trial period... Once in a while is really kewl....regular periods may change some minds.

Last time I was able to fly the santa thing, I didn't find that the nighttime made my abilities any worse than what they were to begin with.

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Re: Bring on the night
« Reply #71 on: December 27, 2013, 11:50:46 AM »
Old night totally sucked; I, along with a lot of others, just logged.

That said, you can't be against trying new stuff. Some of it may prove to be interesting.

My general thought is that it is tough enough to see aspect during the day and the new night is not likely to improve that.

It would probably enjoy some popularity initially just because it would be something different.

Throw it in and eventually the log in / log off data will tally the vote for HTC.

Oh, and a link to a very old icon discussion where a lot of the picture links have long since vanished. The discussion and facts remain true, however, and explain the "why" of icons. You simply can't see the detail on a computer that is available in real life. No icons is best considered a gaming difficulty level rather than any type of realism.

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,25522.0.html

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http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,24575.0.html
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Re: Bring on the night
« Reply #72 on: December 27, 2013, 12:08:12 PM »
Its a completely obvious and legit argument and anything you say doesn't counter the fact that dogfighting didn't happen at night.

I was there and I turned the gamma up. I even had a hotkey preset with my video card driver, while half of the arena logged or waited in the tower.
So if HTC was nice enough to give us dessert and winter maps (and he seems to have hinted at this) we can only fly the planes that flew in those arenas?
Its laughable that you think every "fight" in the game needs to be historically correct.
Just the birds and the paint jobs.
Your argument means nothing in this GAME

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Re: Bring on the night
« Reply #73 on: December 27, 2013, 12:39:19 PM »
Maybe, when the map resets each time, the new one could start off as Night and then fade into daylight for the next hour or so.  This way there would be a bit of night to play with, the onset of night would not bother any ongoing battes because the arena just reset, and it might be fun to try for a bit.

Whatcha think?

I enjoyed flying at night on Christmas Eve.
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Re: Bring on the night
« Reply #74 on: December 27, 2013, 12:41:28 PM »
Maybe, when the map resets each time, the new one could start off as Night and then fade into daylight for the next hour or so.  This way there would be a bit of night to play with, the onset of night would not bother any ongoing battes because the arena just reset, and it might be fun to try for a bit.

Whatcha think?

I enjoyed flying at night on Christmas Eve.
This is good.
Everyone keeps talking about like full length night maps that will drive players away.

I was just thinking 40 min or so of night,im sure know one would leave in that time.

 And its still the same 2 people complaining about night. :D
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