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« Reply #180 on: January 02, 2014, 08:45:09 PM »
:rofl

sorry I don't mean to laugh at you.....

this is one close minded statement and one the government wants all its slaves to think.


me personally....I like to think for myself....

I would also say that when they said...."We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness...."


they did not intend that a few hundred years later to have those who would take their place to have 100% control of what we put in our own bodies.....over how we live our lives.....but they knew that was a possibility.....so they added this to it...

 "...That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security..."

but Honestly though.....most close minded people will never think for themselves and will listen to "big brother" every time


.......Alcohol kills 100,000 friggen people a year.....

pot kills NONE and actually helps many......

don't drink and drive....BUT stop by our state liqueur store on the HIGHWAY....or come through our DRIVE THROUGH LIQUEUR STATE store.......

doesn't take a rocket scientist.....


All due respect. I spent 26 years as an LEO in a major city. I've seen homicides, traffic fatalities, rapes, ....all other assorted crimes where the offender used marijuana. Among the common excuses I heard from the suspects I interviewed...I didn't know what I was doing, I was high. This was from a guy I arrested after he raced past an unloading school bus at 60 mph in his pickup. The 10 year old he hit was knocked 80 feet from point of impact. I live with the thought of seeing her in the morgue every once and a while on certain days of the year. BTW her mom was across the street and saw the whole thing.

 I'm not saying all persons using do these things but the bottom line is the use of it distorts your perception of reality. Alcohol does the same thing. With all the problems we have with alcohol how would the legalization of any other substance be of benefit to society as a whole? I don't have a fix all answer but what I've seen drugs do to lives I would never entertain the thought of legalization.

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« Reply #181 on: January 02, 2014, 08:51:17 PM »
I completely agree that driving under the influence of anything, even lack of sleep, is a selfish and foolish decision to make, though I have been guilty of it myself on occasions. There is no valid argument that anyone can make that says driving when not completely in control of your faculties is a good idea. I've seen a family of three swept off the street by a drunk driver and it was the faces of the injured children that stick with me. They remind me constantly not to take any chance with other people's lives.

It doesn't matter what substances do what to our bodies, when driving on public roads we should be T-total and anything else is unacceptable. That would be an ideal world.
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« Reply #182 on: January 02, 2014, 09:34:07 PM »

All due respect. I spent 26 years as an LEO in a major city. I've seen homicides, traffic fatalities, rapes, ....all other assorted crimes where the offender used marijuana. Among the common excuses I heard from the suspects I interviewed...I didn't know what I was doing, I was high. This was from a guy I arrested after he raced past an unloading school bus at 60 mph in his pickup. The 10 year old he hit was knocked 80 feet from point of impact. I live with the thought of seeing her in the morgue every once and a while on certain days of the year. BTW her mom was across the street and saw the whole thing.

 I'm not saying all persons using do these things but the bottom line is the use of it distorts your perception of reality. Alcohol does the same thing. With all the problems we have with alcohol how would the legalization of any other substance be of benefit to society as a whole? I don't have a fix all answer but what I've seen drugs do to lives I would never entertain the thought of legalization.

I absolutely believe you.....I lived with the type of scum you are talking about....thats a bit different then just seeing what they do on the streets....I also have seen all those things....up close.....

they didn't do those things because they were smoking.....or should I say the pot didn't make them do it.....

they did them because
A...they are idiots
B...They do not care about anyone but them selves
C...they are straight up scumbags
D...all the above



I would get into why I know pot helps....but it is a long drawn out story.....I touched base on it getting rid of my dreams, but that is just the tip of the iceberg....

I have a very severe case of PTSD...... pot has helped me in so many ways.......to curb that.

very minimal side effects compared to the huge help it has given.

and I don't "need" it to this day..after 33 years of use......I can go without and NOT get any type of physical withdrawals....

except the constant jackhammer negative thoughts...the bad dreams....the paranoia all comes back.


see anybody who isn't a sheep knows the big pharmaceuticals have one thing on their minds...and that is money.....

they don't want to cure us....they want to treat us....so they have thousands of different type of meds....most of them the side effects are worse then what you are trying to help....


ya...no thanx...ill stick with what GOD made for us Thank you very much. :salute





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« Reply #183 on: January 02, 2014, 09:36:40 PM »
ok I am stepping back...

Bodhi sorry for insulting you....its not called for and is wrong of me.... :salute

its ok that we have different opinions....



I do want to say you cant believe everything you read....one of those "studies" says you can OD on 15grams.....

trust me when I say...you can not OD on any amount of pot. That is fact.


many "studies" have agendas, I am not the kind of person who believes what he reads or hears unless he knows the source of the information...and even then I question it.


anyways Truly Bodhi....I was wrong to insult you. :salute



ink, weed does help some people with some problems.  I have no doubt that I would be taking less pain killers due to my back if i could smoke some and not get fired from my job.  and not talking about smoking a join before I go to work but smoking perhaps when i get off and not smoke the morning before i go in.

but it's a trade off.  pain killers are messing up with my liver.  already spent 2 months off work a year ago due to liver problems.  weed will give my liver a break, but at the cost of perhaps messing up with my lungs.  I am not naive to think that weed wont cause other problems.  but I wish it was up to me to make the decision.  my work follows the osha fed rules of no illegal drugs whatsoever.  at the same time, i sometimes show up at work "not in the best shape" due to pain killers.  to me it's stupid to think that legal drugs are better than "weed' just because the law says so.  that is dumb.

weed does help a lot of people, i have no doubt about that.  but it also affects you in other ways.   :salute



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« Reply #184 on: January 02, 2014, 09:42:22 PM »

All due respect. I spent 26 years as an LEO in a major city. I've seen homicides, traffic fatalities, rapes, ....all other assorted crimes where the offender used marijuana. Among the common excuses I heard from the suspects I interviewed...I didn't know what I was doing, I was high. This was from a guy I arrested after he raced past an unloading school bus at 60 mph in his pickup. The 10 year old he hit was knocked 80 feet from point of impact. I live with the thought of seeing her in the morgue every once and a while on certain days of the year. BTW her mom was across the street and saw the whole thing.

 I'm not saying all persons using do these things but the bottom line is the use of it distorts your perception of reality. Alcohol does the same thing. With all the problems we have with alcohol how would the legalization of any other substance be of benefit to society as a whole? I don't have a fix all answer but what I've seen drugs do to lives I would never entertain the thought of legalization.

I respect what you have been through and seen, but pot is not responsible for that.

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« Reply #185 on: January 03, 2014, 01:04:06 AM »
Lab studies have shown that driving stoned is just as risky as driving drunk. But I guess we'll take your word for it instead  :devil



Have you not been around both? One does not need a "study."  The mere fact that anyone needed a study to compare the two suggests an agenda geared toward an outcome...

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« Reply #186 on: January 03, 2014, 07:14:32 AM »
I sure hope some of the money colorodo makes on this will go to drug addiction clinics.  They will be overflowing in a few years when the wild weed developers achieve full addictive properties  to maximize sells. 

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« Reply #187 on: January 03, 2014, 10:29:43 AM »

All due respect. I spent 26 years as an LEO in a major city. I've seen homicides, traffic fatalities, rapes, ....all other assorted crimes where the offender used marijuana. Among the common excuses I heard from the suspects I interviewed...I didn't know what I was doing, I was high. This was from a guy I arrested after he raced past an unloading school bus at 60 mph in his pickup. The 10 year old he hit was knocked 80 feet from point of impact. I live with the thought of seeing her in the morgue every once and a while on certain days of the year. BTW her mom was across the street and saw the whole thing.

 I'm not saying all persons using do these things but the bottom line is the use of it distorts your perception of reality. Alcohol does the same thing. With all the problems we have with alcohol how would the legalization of any other substance be of benefit to society as a whole? I don't have a fix all answer but what I've seen drugs do to lives I would never entertain the thought of legalization.

So have I. Well longer actually. I cant point to any violent crime where weed was the , even contributing, factor. Of course car accidents, I dont think anyone can really argue it impairs your motor skills and coordination. But even there i cant remember one where weed alone caused it. Everyone, and im talking probably hundreds/thousands had alcohol involved to. Violent crimes happen just because the offender is an A-hole. I wouldnt even place the blame for them on alcohol.

The natures of the two drugs are different. Booze makes people reckless and violent where'as weed does not. As far as im concerned if an adult is smoking weed in the privacy of his own house its none of our business. At most its between him and his doctor.

Over the years this entire Drug War thing has turned me off both with its futility and the way its being waged. First off we have no business being at "War" with our own citizens in the first place. Call it a "War" and the Police will start acting like its a "War". Constitutional corners will be cut, rights will be violated, people will get hurt in BS warrants and take downs over trivial amounts. And worse of all the numbers game kicks in where bosses want BS numbers to take the heat off them and nobody has the patience for quality investigations. Many units dont even have the skills for them anymore cause they have spent their careers making BS street busts over chicken crap amounts.

Ive worked housing projects that are nothing less then individual narco-states with their own govt's, economies, armies, hit squads. We couldnt go around them, at least without our own army, due to their high power weaponry and willingness to use it, "which forced me to do a belly crawl under a hood a few times". To think a drug as innocuous as weed is helping fuel the violence, money, and power of these cartels is ridiculous. The drug war itself has become an industry all its own. The powers that be dont want to change nothing because it generates money and power for them, just as mindless enforcement generates money and power for the cartels by keeping prices high. The demand itself will always be there.

Its time for a new way of thinking. Im up to my neck with the BS after 30+ years in the cop business and the futility and corruption of the drug war is a big part of that BS. And the sad fact is a country-wide legalization of weed wont change ANYTHING for the worse and wont even increase the numbers of people smoking it. Work places will still test and kids wont get it any easier then they do today. The tax payer will get a big break because instead of funding a endless and futile war on weed they will instead get the benefit of a new taxable income stream. The only losers will be the cartels and the Law Enforcement machinery that has become bloated and fat with this so called 'War". And these units can be better aimed at the truly destructive drugs and their interdiction.

I have no personal stake in any of this. I'll never smoke it, my kid is in the military and he will never smoke it. My wife has never smoked it. I just dont buy the official party line anymore, not after swimming in their BS all these decades. And my common sense tells me the Police have no business in the private use of weed, in private homes, business.Criminalizing that type of usage is little more then a scare tactic used by these clowns to get elected. And to stay on the public tittie.
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Re: mary jane
« Reply #188 on: January 03, 2014, 10:55:44 AM »
huh huh ... he said tittie ... huh huh



well said rich.  :salute  :bolt:

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« Reply #189 on: January 03, 2014, 11:08:03 AM »
I sure hope some of the money colorodo makes on this will go to drug addiction clinics.  They will be overflowing in a few years when the wild weed developers achieve full addictive properties  to maximize sells.  
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http://www.thedailychronic.net/2013/24657/lessons-from-the-netherlands-for-marijuana-legalization-in-the-us/

A new report from the Open Society Global Drug Policy Program lays out what Dutch policymakers have done and how they have fared. Authored by social scientists Jean-Paul Grund and Joost Breeksema of the Addiction Research Center in Utrecht, the report, Coffee Shops and Compromise: Separated Illicit Drug Markets in the Netherlands tells the history of the Dutch approach and describes the ongoing success of the country’s drug policy.

This includes the separation of the more prevalent marijuana market from hard drug dealers. In the Netherlands, only 14% of cannabis users say they can get other drugs from their sources for cannabis. By contrast in Sweden, for example, 52% of cannabis users report that other drugs are available from cannabis dealers. That separation of hard and soft drug markets has limited Dutch exposure to drugs like heroin and crack cocaine and led to Holland having the lowest number of problem drug users in the European Union, the report found.

Pragmatic Dutch drug policies have not been limited to marijuana. The Netherlands has been a pioneer in harm reduction measures, such as needle exchanges and safe consumption sites, has made drug treatment easy to access, and has decriminalized the possession of small quantities of all drugs. As a result, in addition to having the lowest number of problem drug users, Holland has virtually wiped out new HIV infections among injection drug users. And, because of decriminalization, Dutch citizens have been spared the burden of criminal records for low-level, nonviolent offenses.

The Dutch have, for example, virtually eliminated marijuana possession arrests. According to figures cited in the report, in a typical recent year, Dutch police arrested people for pot at a rate of 19 per 100,0000, while rates in the US and other European countries were 10 times that or more.
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or this story here from   http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/12/26/portugals-drug-policy-pays-eyes-lessons/
LISBON, Portugal –  These days, Casal Ventoso is an ordinary blue-collar community — mothers push baby strollers, men smoke outside cafes, buses chug up and down the cobbled main street.

Ten years ago, the Lisbon neighborhood was a hellhole, a "drug supermarket" where some 5,000 users lined up every day to buy heroin and sneak into a hillside honeycomb of derelict housing to shoot up. In dark, stinking corners, addicts — some with maggots squirming under track marks — staggered between the occasional corpse, scavenging used, bloody needles.

At that time, Portugal, like the junkies of Casal Ventoso, had hit rock bottom: An estimated 100,000 people — an astonishing 1 percent of its population — were addicted to illegal drugs. So, like anyone with little to lose, the Portuguese took a risky leap: They decriminalized the use of all drugs in a groundbreaking law in 2000.
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« Reply #190 on: January 03, 2014, 05:45:57 PM »
Ink, It's all good, I don't take it personally, I apologize if I insulted you as well.  Everyone has an opinion on weed.  Mine focuses more on the limited data available and the absolute chaos of the so called war on drugs.  I support the medical use of marijuana 100%.  In my eyes, it is better than the narcotics that are being prescribed and are horrifically addictive.  That said, there are health risks for both sides that many are not willing to admit or even concede that they exist.

As for the war on drugs, I agree with Rich.  The focus needs to be on the truly hard core stuff and less on the recreational pot smoker.  IE. not a war on citizen but a war on producers, trafficers, and distributors.  I really do not have any use for the meth dealers/manufacturers nor those peddling heroin and a host of other hardcore products.  They are peddling death, pure and simple.

Legalization of any drug needs to be examined closely and the ramifications need to be thought out to include triggers if certain milestones are or are not met.
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« Reply #191 on: January 03, 2014, 05:48:01 PM »
ink, weed does help some people with some problems.  I have no doubt that I would be taking less pain killers due to my back if i could smoke some and not get fired from my job.  and not talking about smoking a join before I go to work but smoking perhaps when i get off and not smoke the morning before i go in.

but it's a trade off.  pain killers are messing up with my liver.  already spent 2 months off work a year ago due to liver problems.  weed will give my liver a break, but at the cost of perhaps messing up with my lungs.  I am not naive to think that weed wont cause other problems.  but I wish it was up to me to make the decision.  my work follows the osha fed rules of no illegal drugs whatsoever.  at the same time, i sometimes show up at work "not in the best shape" due to pain killers.  to me it's stupid to think that legal drugs are better than "weed' just because the law says so.  that is dumb.

weed does help a lot of people, i have no doubt about that.  but it also affects you in other ways.   :salute



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ya man it sux....I hope things change....sadly though I think its just gonna get worse.

So have I. Well longer actually. I cant point to any violent crime where weed was the , even contributing, factor. Of course car accidents, I dont think anyone can really argue it impairs your motor skills and coordination. But even there i cant remember one where weed alone caused it. Everyone, and im talking probably hundreds/thousands had alcohol involved to. Violent crimes happen just because the offender is an A-hole. I wouldnt even place the blame for them on alcohol.

The natures of the two drugs are different. Booze makes people reckless and violent where'as weed does not. As far as im concerned if an adult is smoking weed in the privacy of his own house its none of our business. At most its between him and his doctor.

Over the years this entire Drug War thing has turned me off both with its futility and the way its being waged. First off we have no business being at "War" with our own citizens in the first place. Call it a "War" and the Police will start acting like its a "War". Constitutional corners will be cut, rights will be violated, people will get hurt in BS warrants and take downs over trivial amounts. And worse of all the numbers game kicks in where bosses want BS numbers to take the heat off them and nobody has the patience for quality investigations. Many units dont even have the skills for them anymore cause they have spent their careers making BS street busts over chicken crap amounts.

Ive worked housing projects that are nothing less then individual narco-states with their own govt's, economies, armies, hit squads. We couldnt go around them, at least without our own army, due to their high power weaponry and willingness to use it, "which forced me to do a belly crawl under a hood a few times". To think a drug as innocuous as weed is helping fuel the violence, money, and power of these cartels is ridiculous. The drug war itself has become an industry all its own. The powers that be dont want to change nothing because it generates money and power for them, just as mindless enforcement generates money and power for the cartels by keeping prices high. The demand itself will always be there.

Its time for a new way of thinking. Im up to my neck with the BS after 30+ years in the cop business and the futility and corruption of the drug war is a big part of that BS. And the sad fact is a country-wide legalization of weed wont change ANYTHING for the worse and wont even increase the numbers of people smoking it. Work places will still test and kids wont get it any easier then they do today. The tax payer will get a big break because instead of funding a endless and futile war on weed they will instead get the benefit of a new taxable income stream. The only losers will be the cartels and the Law Enforcement machinery that has become bloated and fat with this so called 'War". And these units can be better aimed at the truly destructive drugs and their interdiction.

I have no personal stake in any of this. I'll never smoke it, my kid is in the military and he will never smoke it. My wife has never smoked it. I just dont buy the official party line anymore, not after swimming in their BS all these decades. And my common sense tells me the Police have no business in the private use of weed, in private homes, business.Criminalizing that type of usage is little more then a scare tactic used by these clowns to get elected. And to stay on the public tittie.

nice write up.....and spot on. :aok

Ink, It's all good, I don't take it personally, I apologize if I insulted you as well.  Everyone has an opinion on weed.  Mine focuses more on the limited data available and the absolute chaos of the so called war on drugs.  I support the medical use of marijuana 100%.  In my eyes, it is better than the narcotics that are being prescribed and are horrifically addictive.  That said, there are health risks for both sides that many are not willing to admit or even concede that they exist.

As for the war on drugs, I agree with Rich.  The focus needs to be on the truly hard core stuff and less on the recreational pot smoker.  IE. not a war on citizen but a war on producers, trafficers, and distributors.  I really do not have any use for the meth dealers/manufacturers nor those peddling heroin and a host of other hardcore products.  They are peddling death, pure and simple.

Legalization of any drug needs to be examined closely and the ramifications need to be thought out to include triggers if certain milestones are or are not met.

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« Reply #192 on: January 03, 2014, 06:18:22 PM »
So have I. Well longer actually. I cant point to any violent crime where weed was the , even contributing, factor. Of course car accidents, I dont think anyone can really argue it impairs your motor skills and coordination. But even there i cant remember one where weed alone caused it. Everyone, and im talking probably hundreds/thousands had alcohol involved to. Violent crimes happen just because the offender is an A-hole. I wouldnt even place the blame for them on alcohol.

The natures of the two drugs are different. Booze makes people reckless and violent where'as weed does not. As far as im concerned if an adult is smoking weed in the privacy of his own house its none of our business. At most its between him and his doctor.

Over the years this entire Drug War thing has turned me off both with its futility and the way its being waged. First off we have no business being at "War" with our own citizens in the first place. Call it a "War" and the Police will start acting like its a "War". Constitutional corners will be cut, rights will be violated, people will get hurt in BS warrants and take downs over trivial amounts. And worse of all the numbers game kicks in where bosses want BS numbers to take the heat off them and nobody has the patience for quality investigations. Many units dont even have the skills for them anymore cause they have spent their careers making BS street busts over chicken crap amounts.

Ive worked housing projects that are nothing less then individual narco-states with their own govt's, economies, armies, hit squads. We couldnt go around them, at least without our own army, due to their high power weaponry and willingness to use it, "which forced me to do a belly crawl under a hood a few times". To think a drug as innocuous as weed is helping fuel the violence, money, and power of these cartels is ridiculous. The drug war itself has become an industry all its own. The powers that be dont want to change nothing because it generates money and power for them, just as mindless enforcement generates money and power for the cartels by keeping prices high. The demand itself will always be there.

Its time for a new way of thinking. Im up to my neck with the BS after 30+ years in the cop business and the futility and corruption of the drug war is a big part of that BS. And the sad fact is a country-wide legalization of weed wont change ANYTHING for the worse and wont even increase the numbers of people smoking it. Work places will still test and kids wont get it any easier then they do today. The tax payer will get a big break because instead of funding a endless and futile war on weed they will instead get the benefit of a new taxable income stream. The only losers will be the cartels and the Law Enforcement machinery that has become bloated and fat with this so called 'War". And these units can be better aimed at the truly destructive drugs and their interdiction.

I have no personal stake in any of this. I'll never smoke it, my kid is in the military and he will never smoke it. My wife has never smoked it. I just dont buy the official party line anymore, not after swimming in their BS all these decades. And my common sense tells me the Police have no business in the private use of weed, in private homes, business.Criminalizing that type of usage is little more then a scare tactic used by these clowns to get elected. And to stay on the public tittie.

Very well written no bs assesment sir  :cheers:
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« Reply #193 on: January 04, 2014, 03:13:31 AM »
Is it true that Swiss banks hold billions in drug money?

These drugs cost pennies to make?

In China they put a gun to dealers heads after a 3 minute hearing :salute

They tested opium on the British factory workers before using it on the Chinese :)
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« Reply #194 on: January 04, 2014, 05:01:50 AM »

All due respect. I spent 26 years as an LEO in a major city. I've seen homicides, traffic fatalities, rapes, ....all other assorted crimes where the offender used marijuana. Among the common excuses I heard from the suspects I interviewed...I didn't know what I was doing, I was high. This was from a guy I arrested after he raced past an unloading school bus at 60 mph in his pickup. The 10 year old he hit was knocked 80 feet from point of impact. I live with the thought of seeing her in the morgue every once and a while on certain days of the year. BTW her mom was across the street and saw the whole thing.

 I'm not saying all persons using do these things but the bottom line is the use of it distorts your perception of reality. Alcohol does the same thing. With all the problems we have with alcohol how would the legalization of any other substance be of benefit to society as a whole? I don't have a fix all answer but what I've seen drugs do to lives I would never entertain the thought of legalization.
Marijuana has never hurt anyone. If you're a cop, and you honestly believe someone when they tell you " I didn't know what i was doing" in the context of Marijuana, you need to smoke some weed and find out what's really going on. Marijuana cuts through all the BS, and gives you clarity if you use it to focus in on a specific issues with your life, or the world in general. That's why so many writers, and creative people smoke. A lot of dumb people use Marijuana, those people are going to be stupid with or without weed in the picture.  
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