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Offline mthrockmor

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Ta-152 firepower
« on: January 01, 2014, 10:23:30 AM »
I recently joined a Facebook group that is based on pictures of German planes from World War Two. They have a picture and description of the Ta-152 that states the firepower included the 30mm through the spinner plus 4 wing mounted guns. they could have 2 additional 30mm and 2 20mm or 4 20mm.

Is this accurate? If so, should not the Ta-152 get these gun package options?

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Re: Ta-152 firepower
« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2014, 10:28:28 AM »
None of the C models saw service.

Ta 152 C-0
    Small wing, pre-production aircraft, 1 prototype built powered with 2,100-hp (1566 kW) Daimler Benz DB603LA engine. The extra length of this engine required a compensating rear fuselage plug and enlarged tail surfaces, and wing span was increased to 36 ft 1 in (11 meters).

Ta 152 C-1
    Small wing, armed with one engine-mounted Motorkanone 30 mm (1.18 in) MK 108 cannon and four 20 mm synchronized MG 151/20 cannons (two above the engine, two in the wing roots).

Ta 152 C-2
    Small wing, equipped with an improved radio.

Ta 152 C-3
    Small wing, armed with one engine-mounted Motorkanone 30 mm (1.18 in) MK 103 cannon and four 20 mm synchronized MG 151/20 cannons (two above the engine, two in the wing roots).

Ta 152 E-1
    Photographic reconnaissance version of the Ta 152C, with standard wing.

Ta 152 E-2
    High-altitude version, powered by a Junkers Jumo 213E engine and with the H-series wing. But only a single prototype was completed.

Ta 152 H-0
    Long wing, 20 pre-production aircraft.

Ta 152 H-1
    The only production version. Long wing, armed with one engine-mounted Motorkanone 30 mm (1.18 in) MK108 cannon and two 20 mm synchronized MG 151/20 cannons in the wing roots, additional fuel tanks located in the wings.
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Re: Ta-152 firepower
« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2014, 11:02:53 AM »
In one of my games called BTR I started building the Ta-152C-1, its a boat load of fun to rip through bomber formations with this while doing 460mph. However this was a prototype to retain the MG151's in the wings like a Fw-190, however as a prototype, it was never put into production.

It jumped to the Ta-152H which removed those wing mounted 20mm's
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Re: Ta-152 firepower
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2014, 12:17:47 PM »
None of the C models saw service.
Could you help me out, how many were built from the C-models and the H-1?
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Re: Ta-152 firepower
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2014, 02:11:25 PM »
Could you help me out, how many were built from the C-models and the H-1?

To my knowledge no C model was made except for a few experimental aircraft.
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Re: Ta-152 firepower
« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2014, 04:06:31 PM »
To my knowledge no C model was made except for a few experimental aircraft.


  I have seen pix of JG300's 152's and if you look closely you will see 2,ya 2 152 C's in the background.

  When HTC has every plane flown during WW2 ingame I wouldnt mind seeing the F7f,F8f and 152 C considered for inclusion.


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Re: Ta-152 firepower
« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2014, 05:55:24 PM »

  I have seen pix of JG300's 152's and if you look closely you will see 2,ya 2 152 C's in the background.

There was a photo a while back of allied soldiers who took photos of the JG300 airfield, it was posted on one of the sim websites (can't remember) it seemed like a ton more then just 2, I think the total was around 10 or so.

I think Kurt Tank gave them to JG300 to be tested, however after reading comments from Major Günther Rall he made no reference to these Ta-152's, and I could never find the original photo again.



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Re: Ta-152 firepower
« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2014, 05:59:45 PM »
JG26 also had two 190D-13. One still exists and is under restoration. The C models JG300 had must have been prototypes pressed into service because the 152C was never cleared for production.
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Re: Ta-152 firepower
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2014, 12:44:24 PM »
There was a photo a while back of allied soldiers who took photos of the JG300 airfield, it was posted on one of the sim websites (can't remember) it seemed like a ton more then just 2, I think the total was around 10 or so.

I think Kurt Tank gave them to JG300 to be tested, however after reading comments from Major Günther Rall he made no reference to these Ta-152's, and I could never find the original photo again.







  Yes in the photo there are about a dozen 152's but only 2 of them are 152C's with the short wingspan.

  I understand they were likely the 2 prototypes that were pressed into service and that no production series airframes were built,however I was only pointing out that the couple that were made did go to a JG and were very likely flown.


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Re: Ta-152 firepower
« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2014, 03:46:24 PM »
Is this the photo? If so, it is of JG301 machines at Stendal.


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Re: Ta-152 firepower
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2014, 05:22:18 PM »
Is this the photo? If so, it is of JG301 machines at Stendal.

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  Thats not the photo I was talking about,you're correct though that it was JG301 at Stendal and not JG300.

  When I find some time I'll have to look through my PDF's to find it,still cant post pix but I'll try to reference it.



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Re: Ta-152 firepower
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2014, 06:07:34 PM »
There was some very late war Doras that got the broad tail of the 152. This would make Ta152Cs and Doras look very similar.

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Re: Ta-152 firepower
« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2014, 01:14:26 PM »
There was some very late war Doras that got the broad tail of the 152. This would make Ta152Cs and Doras look very similar.

Most Doras started getting Fw190 parts and some Fw190s were getting 152 parts. It wouldn't surprise me to see a few Ta-152C's even with the 4x 20mms- the problem is just how many were made. I don't think it was simply a prototype, rather it was continuously upgraded and Tank put out as many as he could.

Ta-152C were in production, however one of the factories building the Ta-152C's was destroyed, along with most of the air frames and prototype C-5 models. This would explain why there are some 152C's out there, they just didn't produce enough and put into combat before they were destroyed.
Most of the later versions of the 152C had basically weapon and radio equipment modifications while in production, after they fixed the fuel tank stability issue of the C-0 and C-1.

I just managed to open my books, ill have to read up on it a little more, so far this is the first time i've read 152C's were in production, and it makes sense - given the Ta-152C-1 had a stability issue that was corrected Feb 27th 1945, there was not even a month to produce airframes before the war ended - not only that, the engines needed to be made as well as aviation fuel which were in very short supply.

I believe it was in production, but at this stage in the war, it would be impossible to get proof that it was/wasn't in production because of the bombings.

Here's some technical data:

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Re: Ta-152 firepower
« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2014, 12:25:55 PM »
There was some very late war Doras that got the broad tail of the 152. This would make Ta152Cs and Doras look very similar.


  Agreed Milo,but the 152C has the air intake on the left similar to a 109.  I'm still looking for that pic,I thought I found it in a Rappo publication but it was just the pic you posted but from a different angle so you dont see the bike laying beside the 152H.


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Re: Ta-152 firepower
« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2014, 02:22:19 PM »
1 or 2 of the C prototypes was/were put into action.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,351620.0.html

The best gun package was/would have been on the B model.




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