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Offline helbent

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Re: How as your day?
« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2014, 11:12:12 AM »
I carry concealed also, but in my state you are required to disclose that you are carrying a weapon as soon as an officer officially confronts you.  Even if not required I wouldn't flash my weapon at an officer, ever.  "Sir I am carrying a concealed handgun and I have a permit to do so" would suffice.
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Re: How as your day?
« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2014, 11:42:32 AM »
widewing, i think you handle that situation properly, that guy was a dweeb.  hope he gets what he deserves.

there's just one thing that bugs me.  why bring up your brother to the officer?  he doesnt have anything to do with the situation.


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Re: How as your day?
« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2014, 12:04:36 PM »
widewing, i think you handle that situation properly, that guy was a dweeb.  hope he gets what he deserves.

there's just one thing that bugs me.  why bring up your brother to the officer?  he doesnt have anything to do with the situation.


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Like it or not, it changes your status from John Q. Citizen to "family of an officer". It should not effect how the facts are handled, but it does induce a level of professional courtesy. It also provides for a nearly instant character witness.  Now, if you've robbed a store, having a brother on the department won't make any difference. However, that brother will get a call and informed of the issue.
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Re: How as your day?
« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2014, 02:56:33 PM »
Exactly, Rich. This is why you ignore anything they say. He's an angry old man, who was looking to reverse his stupid judgment. Unless he was to assault me, I was not going to lay a hand on him. Of course, I let my phone document his behavior. I have a lot of LEOs in my immediate family and I have learned how to deal with people like him. What they say doesn't matter. What they do is what is important. His mouth was running, but his posture was non-aggressive. He was frightened at the situation his temper had created. At no time after the stop did I feel physically threatened. Yet, at the same time, I made him keep his distance. Likewise, before I exited my Jeep, I was already calling for assistance by the police.  

These things are for real, and the stupidity of some of these time bombs out rolling around is hard to believe. I once had some nitwit ride me off the road for what he, later admitted the reason, was that he didnt like seeing a white guy zipping around in a sports car in his Hood. He got out of his car with a baseball bat and came at me. The only reason I didnt kill him was I saw a little girl in the back window of his car watching. This guy acted the Loon and almost got himself killed with his 6yo daughter in the window watching.

He had no real back ground. He even said he had no reason to start the altercation, yet, he started a violent encounter for no reason whatsoever and who knows what would have happened to an unarmed citizen.

No I laugh and wave at these fools and try to roll on. If your backed into a corner then your backed into a corner.

Morality and Politeness has just crumbled in modern society. Kids arent taught responsibility anymore, how to use the words "Sir" and "Ma'am", and always think they should have something coming their way "wheres mine". "I cant be at fault". To many boys being raised by Mommies and to few Institutions teaching them how to respect others and elders. Thanks to my old man and the USAF for teaching me different. The rudeness and disrespect I see on a daily basis is just disgusting.

Yes we do run detailed background checks out of car units now and clowns like this often have a history. Ive handled a few real beauts. I wont talk about them here but the kind where 40 shells casings are left on the street.

And over nothing. A rude, ignorant comment or a minor fender bender. Nothing.
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Re: How as your day?
« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2014, 03:50:00 PM »
These things are for real, and the stupidity of some of these time bombs out rolling around is hard to believe. I once had some nitwit ride me off the road for what he, later admitted the reason, was that he didnt like seeing a white guy zipping around in a sports car in his Hood. He got out of his car with a baseball bat and came at me. The only reason I didnt kill him was I saw a little girl in the back window of his car watching. This guy acted the Loon and almost got himself killed with his 6yo daughter in the window watching.

He had no real back ground. He even said he had no reason to start the altercation, yet, he started a violent encounter for no reason whatsoever and who knows what would have happened to an unarmed citizen.

No I laugh and wave at these fools and try to roll on. If your backed into a corner then your backed into a corner.

Morality and Politeness has just crumbled in modern society. Kids arent taught responsibility anymore, how to use the words "Sir" and "Ma'am", and always think they should have something coming their way "wheres mine". "I cant be at fault". To many boys being raised by Mommies and to few Institutions teaching them how to respect others and elders. Thanks to my old man and the USAF for teaching me different. The rudeness and disrespect I see on a daily basis is just disgusting.

Yes we do run detailed background checks out of car units now and clowns like this often have a history. Ive handled a few real beauts. I wont talk about them here but the kind where 40 shells casings are left on the street.

And over nothing. A rude, ignorant comment or a minor fender bender. Nothing.

I dont know where you live rich, but around here where i live it's a middle class neighborhood.  but I have seen a change in the past 3 or 4 years from people being azzzdoughnuts to a little more polite.  I dont get amazed anymore when i see people both old and young hold the door open for anybody.  actually I am more amazed if they dont hold the door open.  it's not a perfect city or county or whatever, but I think around here it's a change for the better.


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Offline Widewing

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Re: How as your day?
« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2014, 04:33:09 PM »
I carry concealed also, but in my state you are required to disclose that you are carrying a weapon as soon as an officer officially confronts you.  Even if not required I wouldn't flash my weapon at an officer, ever.  "Sir I am carrying a concealed handgun and I have a permit to do so" would suffice.

I did mention it to the second officer, when I handed him my documents.

"I'm carrying a concealed firearm, permit is in the pile."

He didn't ask to see it or ask what type. He merely nodded.

For the record, it's a Ruger GP100, 4 inch barrel. My preference in winter, as it can be hidden under a heavy coat. Too big for warm weather. For that, a Colt Mustang .380 is my choice.
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Offline Gman

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Re: How as your day?
« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2014, 05:01:14 PM »
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widewing, i think you handle that situation properly, that guy was a dweeb.  hope he gets what he deserves.

there's just one thing that bugs me.  why bring up your brother to the officer?  he doesnt have anything to do with the situation.


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Like it or not, it changes your status from John Q. Citizen to "family of an officer". It should not effect how the facts are handled, but it does induce a level of professional courtesy. It also provides for a nearly instant character witness.  Now, if you've robbed a store, having a brother on the department won't make any difference. However, that brother will get a call and informed of the issue

I agree with Widewing 100% in this department.  Having a father as a police officer and at least  a half dozen other family members does make a difference with other officers in cases where it is your word vs another party, believe me.  It's just an extension of the "blue wall", it may not be "fair", but it just makes you a known quantity.  My pops was president of my country's police association, and we have an uncommon name, so I often am asked by police from all over if I'm related, and have never had to bring it up, it just comes up on its own. 

One thing I will say is that as smart of a thing the whole "gopro/GPS" trick was, why not actually just BUY an in car video.  Widewing, your obviously a tech savvy person, I'm amazed you don't already use one.  I've been using the Blackvue cams for about a year now, and myself was late to the party, but it's already saved me once in a case similar to yours, without the confrontation part.  It's less than 100$, pretty much runs itself, and is HD and has a very wide angle lens, and catches pretty much everything except a rear end, which it'll get more or less anyhow, even though without the actual vehicle in the frame, it'll still be obvious on playback.  In this case you had 2 understanding officers, sometimes you'll get that 10% guy who shouldn't be in the job and doesn't care, and is just PO over being called away from coffee to an accident of any kind.  Having video is end of story if you're in the right, no matter who you end up dealing with.

Even for tickets you don't deserve, they are fantastic, in my case, I had an officer pull me over saying he saw me roll a stop sign, when in reality I had already stopped, twice in fact, because of an indecisive driver at my 9 oclock, but the officer missed that part, which can happen.  Instead of it turning into an ugly argument, or an unfair ticket, I explained to him I had video running, and if he would let me play it back on the spot, if he felt I wasn't stopped from it I would shut up and take my ticket, as I could have been mistaken too (I was positive I wasn't).  I pulled out my Ipad, and put the video up on it from the camera, which clearly showed me stopped for about 5 seconds prior to playing chug a lug stop and go with the guy who I in fact had right of way on, but yielded too because I was worried he was going to plow me.  The cop actually laughed, and explained how from his viewpoint he made the mistake, and then we talked about other stuff for about half an hour.

Anyhow, I'm glad it turned out well, and you kept your cool with an obviously unstable hot head.  Now go buy yourself an in car camera, or a couple of them.  I run one on my bikes as well, and won't drive without it now.

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Re: How as your day?
« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2014, 06:53:13 PM »
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Offline zack1234

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Re: How as your day?
« Reply #23 on: January 12, 2014, 03:02:01 AM »
These things are for real, and the stupidity of some of these time bombs out rolling around is hard to believe. I once had some nitwit ride me off the road for what he, later admitted the reason, was that he didnt like seeing a white guy zipping around in a sports car in his Hood. He got out of his car with a baseball bat and came at me. The only reason I didnt kill him was I saw a little girl in the back window of his car watching. This guy acted the Loon and almost got himself killed with his 6yo daughter in the window watching.

He had no real back ground. He even said he had no reason to start the altercation, yet, he started a violent encounter for no reason whatsoever and who knows what would have happened to an unarmed citizen.

No I laugh and wave at these fools and try to roll on. If your backed into a corner then your backed into a corner.

Morality and Politeness has just crumbled in modern society. Kids arent taught responsibility anymore, how to use the words "Sir" and "Ma'am", and always think they should have something coming their way "wheres mine". "I cant be at fault". To many boys being raised by Mommies and to few Institutions teaching them how to respect others and elders. Thanks to my old man and the USAF for teaching me different. The rudeness and disrespect I see on a daily basis is just disgusting.

Yes we do run detailed background checks out of car units now and clowns like this often have a history. Ive handled a few real beauts. I wont talk about them here but the kind where 40 shells casings are left on the street.

And over nothing. A rude, ignorant comment or a minor fender bender. Nothing.

So the guy was anoyed because you had a better car than him and he pulled a baseball bat?

if you had shot him would it be self defence?

Everyone has a better car than me :)
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