NEW PLANE: Tupolev TU-2

[morfiend]

  I saw the wingloading and it varied from 45 LBs down to 23 lbs which is a rather low wingloading,even id it's in the mid 30's it should be a fairly manuverable A/C. From all reports I read the pilots really liked it and praised it's speed and handling.
   It should be a great ground pounder and I think the GV whines will be epic!!


   

  That should say down to 32 lbs..... wish I could make my fingers work!




     

[Rich46yo]

I see it becoming a dangerous CV killer.

[palef]

Horrible thing. Looks like a Praying Mantis' ovipositor.

[lyric1]

Found the pilots handbook it is all in Russian of course.
Some interesting pictures they show how to dive bomb in it as well.

After you translate the link just hit the paper version you can read it for free.

107 pages in all.

 http://bookre.org/reader?file=540598&pg=1







This was not from the manual just something I found on a Russian site I thought might be interesting.

[lyric1]

Thank you aper!

I hadn't seen these schematics. Do you know which publication they are from?

These look to be the actual blue prints for the bomb loads that Aper posted the picture of in this Russian link I found.

http://nacekomie.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=3125&start=40

Also has a lot of detailed drawings in a post in the above thread.

http://walkarounds.scalemodels.ru/v/manuals/UTB-2/

A number of profiles as well on the first page.

http://nacekomie.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=3125

[lyric1]

Found the pilots handbook it is all in Russian of course.
Some interesting pictures they show how to dive bomb in it as well.

After you translate the link just hit the paper version you can read it for free.

107 pages in all.

 http://bookre.org/reader?file=540598&pg=1







This was not from the manual just something I found on a Russian site I thought might be interesting.

Found a link for a pdf if any one wants to save the file.

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/other-mechanical-systems-tech/tu-2-a-5135.html

[Rich46yo]

Cool stuff. Im really looking forward to this plane.

[bustr]

Lyric,

Have you ever been able to find an I-16 pilots handbook?

I spent 4 hours searching for: Пилот Поликарпова Ай-16 руководство

Found the factory construction manual. Was the I-16's flap(s) actually under the fuselage extending between the inboard edges of the ailerons?

[Karnak]

I thought the I-16 had flaperons.

[lyric1]

Lyric,

Have you ever been able to find an I-16 pilots handbook?

I spent 4 hours searching for: Пилот Поликарпова Ай-16 руководство

Found the factory construction manual. Was the I-16's flap(s) actually under the fuselage extending between the inboard edges of the ailerons?

I will take a look & see what I can find.

Is this what you found?
http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/other-mechanical-systems-tech/polikarpov-i-16-technical-description-24448.html

[bustr]

Here is the center section of the wing and you can see an allowance for a center body flap that edges to the ailerons. In the next illustration you see a separation of aileron units and center body flap unit. The flaperons as is now, are a death trap when you drop them.

[lyric1]

Something else I found on the I-16.
The second link is the same as one of the others I posted.


http://www.scribd.com/doc/116574543/%D0%98-16-%D1%81-%D0%9C-25-%D0%BA%D0%BD-1

http://www.scribd.com/doc/75192753/%D0%A5%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2-%D0%93-%D0%9A-%D0%A2%D0%B5%D1%85%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B5-%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5-%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%B0-%D0%98-16-%D1%81-%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BC-%D0%9C-63-1941

[bustr]

I-16 Type 10

In 1937 the next major version was developed. Initialy it was powered by 1 × Svhetsov M-25A, but soon it was powered by a Shvetsov M-25V for high altitude. Apart from the engine also armament was enhanced. Two 0.3 inch (7,62 mm) ShKAS guns were already in the wings, but two more were additionally placed in the nose above the engine. Some aircraft also received a Cannon in the nose to augment the I-16's armament. Flaps were added to reduce landing speed and run, and for the first time a retractable landing ski was used as well.
This and the strengthening of the airframe in some places added weight, and it rose to more than 3,747 lb (1.700 kg). Nevertheless performance was more or less equal to the I-16 Type 5.
Number built: unknown out of 7.364+


Caption under this illustration translates: trailing edge



Trailing edge flaps separate of ailerons, inboard and under fuselage.

[Lusche]

The rof of the UBT is given as 800-1050 rounds per minute. So at an assume 900 rpm, the ammo would last for

top: 12.5 seconds
middle 16.5 seconds
bottom 23 seconds

in comparison, the (in my opinion) dreadfully short clip of the Lancasters .50 tailguns has a firing time of 25 seconds, the Ki-67 rear 12.7mm have 27 seconds (400 rpg) and the top 20mm (250 rpg) has  21 seconds of cannon fire.
The current incarnation of the B-26 has a rear turret firing time of just over 1 full minute...

Actual in game firing times:

Rear Canopy (190): 11 seconds
Dorsal (250): 14 seconds
Ventral (350): 21 seconds

That's a very short firing time... you'd better hit the fighters cockpit with your opening burst... 

[Lusche]

Ok, the Tu-2S does not have formation option.

Which to me does not make much sense at all. It was used a regular bomber, and is equipped as such in AH with a regular bombsight. If we can now only effectively fly it like a close support aircraft, why didn't we get the 10x more produced Pe-2 instead?