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Re: NEW PLANE: Tupolev TU-2
« Reply #225 on: January 27, 2014, 12:13:31 PM »
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Re: NEW PLANE: Tupolev TU-2
« Reply #226 on: January 27, 2014, 12:14:03 PM »
Tu-2S climb profile at max loadout:

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(WEP used at takeoff until it ran out)

Looks like ~20,000ft is about as high as you'd want to take it.  12,500 to 17,500 look like the best target altitudes, balancing time to altitude and safety by having altitude.

I'd love to play with it, but I am doing a 07:30 to 21:00 shift today and then back tomorrow for another 07:30 start and tomorrow is my son's 1st birthday, so I'll definitely be busy with family stuff after getting off at 15:30.
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Re: NEW PLANE: Tupolev TU-2
« Reply #227 on: January 27, 2014, 12:50:57 PM »


All planes at 100% fuel. Data is for the 'old' B-26, haven't checked yet if the new model has different performance.
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Re: NEW PLANE: Tupolev TU-2
« Reply #228 on: January 27, 2014, 01:00:17 PM »
I say perk it lightly. 2 perks maybe?

I'd say they're probably going to significantly impact the usage of everything but the Lancaster and B-17.
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Re: NEW PLANE: Tupolev TU-2
« Reply #229 on: January 27, 2014, 01:04:22 PM »
I was certain of it too, that's why I initially made a post in the bugs forum only.

Ahh, hadn't read that forum for a while.
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Re: NEW PLANE: Tupolev TU-2
« Reply #230 on: January 27, 2014, 01:16:06 PM »
I say perk it lightly. 2 perks maybe?

I'd say they're probably going to significantly impact the usage of everything but the Lancaster and B-17.
Impacting the usage is fine.  Demolishing it is not.  We'll have to wait to see where it comes out.
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Re: NEW PLANE: Tupolev TU-2
« Reply #231 on: January 27, 2014, 01:41:51 PM »
Given that its markedly superior in just about every way to the B-26, B-25, Ju-88, BostonIII, He-111, Ki-67, and G4M, I would not be at all surprised if useage plummeted for them. The B-24 only has 2k more ordnance (although admittedly spread out better), though it is likely to be less survivable, given that the Tu-2's speed will likely leave many fighters struggling up the 6.

I foresee a significant drop in A-20 usage as well, given that it looks to be more effective in the GV bombing realm, given the two 1000kg bombs the damn thing can strap on. Not to mention the 9 100kg bombs, if you're a good aim. And the 4 250kg bombs.
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Re: NEW PLANE: Tupolev TU-2
« Reply #232 on: January 27, 2014, 01:49:42 PM »
Given that its markedly superior in just about every way to the B-26


It's not. It carries more ords than the 26, but doesn't climb to alt much faster. It's faster in level flight, but not as much as giving the most common fighters a real problem to catch it. And most importantly, it's defensive armament is very limited while the 26 has impressive firepower.

There were already several players voicing their disappointment with the Tu-2's performance in the MA ;)
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Re: NEW PLANE: Tupolev TU-2
« Reply #233 on: January 27, 2014, 01:54:36 PM »
What is its top speed with the 1000kg external bombs?  With no external stores?
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Re: NEW PLANE: Tupolev TU-2
« Reply #234 on: January 27, 2014, 01:55:22 PM »
Unless I'm misreading your chart, the Tu-2S climbs a bit better than the B-26 (with the old modeling, anyway).



As for people voicing their disappointment, I suspect they're being rather..... incautious with it. Once the excitement wears off, and people set out to use it seriously, rather than to test its capabilities, I fully expect it to supplant most medium bombers.
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Re: NEW PLANE: Tupolev TU-2
« Reply #235 on: January 27, 2014, 01:58:18 PM »
Unless I'm misreading your chart, the Tu-2S climbs a bit better than the B-26 (with the old modeling, anyway).

But not making a big difference, tactically. Tu-2 climbs to 15k in about 13 minutes, B-26 in about 15. The difference in firepower between the two is much more significant. More guns, all round coverage, way more ammo.
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Re: NEW PLANE: Tupolev TU-2
« Reply #236 on: January 27, 2014, 02:16:56 PM »
What is its top speed with the 1000kg external bombs?  With no external stores?

From the speed charts in hangar it seems best mil top speed is at about 16k. At that alt, 50% fuel and..

... 1000kg internal: 338 mph
... 1000kg internal + 2000kg external: 314 mph

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Re: NEW PLANE: Tupolev TU-2
« Reply #237 on: January 27, 2014, 02:20:36 PM »
From the speed charts in hangar it seems best mil top speed is at about 16k. At that alt, 50% fuel and..

... 1000kg internal: 338 mph
... 1000kg internal + 2000kg external: 314 mph


Thanks, Lusche.

Seems HTC went with the 341mph max rather than the 325mph commonly quoted.  (I bet the 338mph changes to about 341mph when empty)
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Re: NEW PLANE: Tupolev TU-2
« Reply #238 on: January 27, 2014, 02:23:09 PM »
(I bet the 338mph changes to about 341mph when empty)


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Re: NEW PLANE: Tupolev TU-2
« Reply #239 on: January 27, 2014, 02:29:45 PM »
There are no pies stored in this plane overnight

                          
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