Is This Vet a Hero?

[Rich46yo]

the only true hero's in this world are fire fighters.....

solders now a days.......most of them.... NOT all of course, but most of them are only in it for the kill...they want to kill stuff....that is the furthest thing from a "hero" you can get....

I would say Police...but there are far to many that are in it for the power......


Fire Fighters.......They are the true Hero's.

Ink that is one of the most silliest things Ive heard in awhiles. You have seen to many movies. We dont spend Billions to train soldiers to do flower arranging.

And who do you think is usually the first at fires? But I guess firemen dont hand out $200 tickets are confiscate your illegal weed. Thus they become "Heros".

[Zoney]

INK, sir.

If you were a Church pastor interviewing young men of your congregation who were joining the military, do you think you would learn that men coming from that environment would also have the "majority" enlisting just so they could kill people?

I mean to cast no aspersions upon your lifestyle and environment sir and I realize my question would seem to do just that.

I might make one more point please.  Those men you talk to, they see you, they know you, they talk to you and you may intimidate them.  Is it possible they are taliking a bit tougher than they really are because they are seeing you as a tough guy and do want to impress you ?

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Ink that is one of the most silliest things Ive heard in awhiles. You have seen to many movies. We dont spend Billions to train soldiers to do flower arranging.

And who do you think is usually the first at fires? But I guess firemen dont hand out $200 tickets are confiscate your illegal weed. Thus they become "Heros".

 

movies....not likely......you said it yourself in your response...but you wont get it...it is hard for you to see objectively being a LEO...you do have an insight I have seen but....still want to defend what you spent most of your life doing...I understand that, and respect that, but I have met many cops...guards...people who hold the "key" or "gun" and many of them do it for that reason alone.

INK, sir.

If you were a Church pastor interviewing young men of your congregation who were joining the military, do you think you would learn that men coming from that environment would also have the "majority" enlisting just so they could kill people?

I mean to cast no aspersions upon your lifestyle and environment sir and I realize my question would seem to do just that.

I might make one more point please.  Those men you talk to, they see you, they know you, they talk to you and you may intimidate them.  Is it possible they are taliking a bit tougher than they really are because they are seeing you as a tough guy and do want to impress you ?

you could be right....I am basing my beliefs on what I have seen

[Plawranc]

The man was ordered to fight the US Military and its allies. Stay alive, and conduct intelligence work and sabotage. He was cut off from the outside due to his position.

When the man's CO rescinded his order and told him that the war was over. He presented his sword. And marched away a soldier.

Say what you want, the man's dedication to duty in the service of his country, and the high priority he placed to honorable conduct. Make him a true example of a fine soldier and officer.

Is he a hero? Point of View as already said is key.

But I would say that he is a fine if not perfect example of the finest calibre of soldier. 

[Rich46yo]

Im not talking about your views towards the police Ink, tho I do find it kinda funny you think we have some kind of "power".

Its your comments towards service members I find silly. And disrespectful. Its pretty obvious you have never worn a uniform and thus have no foot hold on objectivity.

So dont be to surprised when others have biased opinions of you.

solders now a days.......most of them.... NOT all of course, but most of them are only in it for the kill...they want to kill stuff..

Good God where did you get that one from?

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Im not talking about your views towards the police Ink, tho I do find it kinda funny you think we have some kind of "power".

Its your comments towards service members I find silly. And disrespectful. Its pretty obvious you have never worn a uniform and thus have no foot hold on objectivity.

So dont be to surprised when others have biased opinions of you.

Good God where did you get that one from?

 I guess I am gonna lose all kinds of sleep and worry about what you think of me.......

[RotBaron]

On my father's side we can trace back to days of Irish and Scot rebellions and mercenaries in our family. Our clan's CoA has representations on it hailing mercenaries. They were in it for the money and I'm sure some of it was for the rage of battle and killing Brits or even other clans. Were they heroes or more like Blackwater previously mentioned? They were highly celebrated people at the time, willing to come risk their lives for a cause where the group needing their help was typically significantly disadvantaged in some way. Yet they may have been so poor at home that it left them few other choices.

Hmmmm.  

[Rich46yo]

I guess I am gonna lose all kinds of sleep and worry about what you think of me.......

Your to old for this kinda stuff Ink. No doubt you'd hate being categorized as a tattoo artist. Not that I would ever do so.

Im a vet, the father of a troop, and have known/talked thousands of both. Your description is as far from the truth as one could get.

Jeez you sound like one of those west coast Libs who live off the fat of freedom others have fought for and have seen to many reruns of "Apocalypse Now".

[Masherbrum]

Nope. 

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I have tattooed many solders....thousands of them of them actually.....

yes obviously there are those who truly want to and do it for the right reasons...in there own minds.....(thats not to say the war we have been fighting is "right")...I tattooed one that was the very first over there....where did they go???? to the oil fields.....to protect them.....

but yes man....many I have talked to are all about going and killing the "enemy" thats all they want to do.....

now maybe it is that they want to seem all big and bad trying to impress the tattoo guy....but I am all about GOD and talk to them about Him so why would they try to impress me that way?

I don't make crap up.....I am speaking from dealing with young guys who are all gung ho about going and killing some sand people......not caring that the war is a farce....

don't take what I said as saying ALL guys are like that...I never implied that nor do I believe that.

[Changeup]

Whoever said POINT OF VIEW.

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This guy?  LOYAL, DEDICATED...

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Hero?  To Japan's WW II Empire

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[Changeup]

I am speaking from dealing with young guys who are all gung ho about going and killing some sand people......not caring that the war is a farce....

This is the minority.  Just being boys...right up to the first shot fired at them in anger.  

War is no farce to a soldier ordered into a combat zone.  It doesn't matter what a soldier thinks...it only matters what orders they are given.  That's why they live with what they live with AFTER the war is over and some never recover from their "opinions" vs their orders.  

"Mine is not to reason why, mine is just to do or die"

Judge the wars' reason by the men that call the shots....not the men and women who carry out those orders.

[GAReaper]

I have tattooed many solders....thousands of them of them actually.....

yes obviously there are those who truly want to and do it for the right reasons...in there own minds.....(thats not to say the war we have been fighting is "right")...I tattooed one that was the very first over there....where did they go???? to the oil fields.....to protect them.....

but yes man....many I have talked to are all about going and killing the "enemy" thats all they want to do.....

now maybe it is that they want to seem all big and bad trying to impress the tattoo guy....but I am all about GOD and talk to them about Him so why would they try to impress me that way?

I don't make crap up.....I am speaking from dealing with young guys who are all gung ho about going and killing some sand people......not caring that the war is a farce....

don't take what I said as saying ALL guys are like that...I never implied that nor do I believe that.

Just wow. I honestly don't know how you are not banned already. I'm just gonna make an assumption here and say you have probably had a handful come in and say that. And most of those were probably young kids fresh out of basic trying to look tough. I spent 6 years Army Infantry and saw more than I care for of war. And I can tell you from personal experience NONE of the guys in my unit thought that way. And my job was the one to go out and engage the enemy! For every single one of us a good day over there was a day that not a single bullet was fired. I am a disabled vet that was hurt in Afghanistan just doing what I felt was my duty, as was all my friends and brothers that were over there. I do not consider myself a hero, nor am I posting for any kind of attention or recognition. But you sir are just taking a dump on the memory of my friends that were killed over there. You are the lowest kind of person there is. And honestly I don't care if you don't lose any sleep over what I think of you. I only hope that you or any of your relatives never have to see the horrific things that I have seen. Judging a whole by most likely a handful of kids. Just wow. Shameful. That is all.

 
Bones87

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Just wow. I honestly don't know how you are not banned already. I'm just gonna make an assumption here and say you have probably had a handful come in and say that. And most of those were probably young kids fresh out of basic trying to look tough. I spent 6 years Army Infantry and saw more than I care for of war. And I can tell you from personal experience NONE of the guys in my unit thought that way. And my job was the one to go out and engage the enemy! For every single one of us a good day over there was a day that not a single bullet was fired. I am a disabled vet that was hurt in Afghanistan just doing what I felt was my duty, as was all my friends and brothers that were over there. I do not consider myself a hero, nor am I posting for any kind of attention or recognition. But you sir are just taking a dump on the memory of my friends that were killed over there. You are the lowest kind of person there is. And honestly I don't care if you don't lose any sleep over what I think of you. I only hope that you or any of your relatives never have to see the horrific things that I have seen. Judging a whole by most likely a handful of kids. Just wow. Shameful. That is all.

 
Bones87

sorry man don't mean to take a dump on your memories...

I didn't insult anyone, I spoke from what I have seen and heard...


and once more for the last fn time....I didn't say everyone was like that so seriously guys....get your panties out of a bunch....friggen people.

This is the minority.  Just being boys...right up to the first shot fired at them in anger. 

War is no farce to a soldier ordered into a combat zone.  It doesn't matter what a soldier thinks...it only matters what orders they are given.  That's why they live with what they live with AFTER the war is over and some never recover from their "opinions" vs their orders. 

"Mine is not to reason why, mine is just to do or die"

Judge the wars' reason by the men that call the shots....not the men and women who carry out those orders.

no man...every mans souls is his to control...not some man in a suit "who calls the shots" telling them what to do....

our actions...our choices are on US.

when we are judged...."I was just doing my job"  is not gonna cut it.





 

[Changeup]

no man...every mans souls is his to control...not some man in a suit "who calls the shots" telling them what to do....

our actions...our choices are on US.

when we are judged...."I was just doing my job"  is not gonna cut it.
 

Lets not forget that not everyone shares the thought that the war was for nothing or a farce.  I for one, having friends that are still in, know it was not a farce.

We can just agree to disagree on this one INK.


Do not judge others because they sin differently than you do...