Clean fight or not?

[Nimrod45]

Good advice Bozon, thank you.  Salute

[The Fugitive]

Personally I hate HO shots with a passion. With the exception of the shot at 304 or so you rolled out of a HO more often than not, and you didn't fire on every pass. Granted both of you were basically pulling your noses around for a head on pass but your the one holding your fire.

In the first of the three passes you dove under him, he fired going for the top of your cockpit, second pass you dove under his right wing, he fired, third you dove under him again and he didn't fire. Then he ran to reset and when he turned back you started a slow climb looking to get back on top of him.   

The next 4 passes you had 4 crossing type shots but could only get the lead for 2 of them. He then got a good turn on you and you rolled out and got skinny on the next pass as he was coming in firing. The next pass is the one I'd call a HO, but again after 8 or more passes at each other it seemed to be the main move to pull your noses around as close to a HO as you can get. This time YOU fired and he didn't and you tagged him good.

You both made for the head on passes, and after dodging as much lead as he was throwing in all the previous passes I most likely would have taken that shot as well. It looked like it was the only kind of shot he wanted so I would have given it to him.

[morfiend]

Nimrod, do not get apologetic. There are lucky shots, and stupid shots, and vodka shots, but there are no unfair shots. Don't be humble - you shot down a good player, so congratulate yourself and move on. He will likely shoot you down in the next 9 encounters, but that means nothing - same as your kill meant nothing. Its a game, every player has his day, and good players get shot down too.

Next, either tune out of ch200, or learn to relish the name calling and whines. There are some players from which I absolutely expect a PM or reply on ch200 after a kill. These guys are the best fun. Say "thank you" and give them a salute like a gentleman - some of them will rage even more

   This is some excellent advice!


   I hate when players cry ho....  If it's a John Wayne merge thats one thing,you know where the enemy comes at you head on guns ablazing before the first merge.

   After that any shot you get you'd better take it because you might not get another!  One mans HO is another mans acute frontal attack........

 Best thing new players can do is detune 200,infact if HTC wanted to keep players around I wouldnt let anyone tune 200 until they have a year or so under their belt!



    

PS: disclaimer: Idid not watch the films,I trusted what FLS said as it's typical of new player to only fly their gunsight!

[Nimrod45]

A HO shot requires flying straight at each other. You were both in max turns so no HO.

You're giving the bandit shots at you because you're usually going for a quick shot instead of flying to position for a good shot. Granted the kill shot was lead pursuit to a crossing shot but early in the fight you would have benefited from lag pursuit, pointing your nose behind the bandit, and flying to a position behind him for a tracking shot. This would have given the bandit less opportunity to shoot at you.

This makes sense to me now after reading yours and Fugatives narrative of my fight.  I will focus on trying this.  Thank you for the input and advice all.  Salute and see you in the MA!

[LCADolby]

Considering

It looked like it was the only kind of shot he wanted

Don't be so damn silly, you really think a fully fuelled P39 can out turn a Spit16 that has already travelled for 10mins, and that I want Head Ons when I seethe with hatred for them...
I challenge you to produce a screenie of me going for a head on shot to back up this claim.

[pembquist]

Next, either tune out of ch200, or learn to relish the name calling and whines. There are some players from which I absolutely expect a PM or reply on ch200 after a kill. These guys are the best fun. Say "thank you" and give them a salute like a gentleman - some of them will rage even more

what he said

There should be a warning while the arena loads about the hazards of 200

[pervert]

Ok so taking the shot at 00:34 kills Dolby, after that lacking the power to go vertical again Dolbys only option is to do pretty much what nimrod was doing turning nose to nose looking for a shot, I don't see any of the shots nimrod taking as being any worse than the shots dolby already took on him.

In terms of advice for Nimrod I would get more comfy with your views and not fly around constantly trying to pull for a shot.

[Aspen]

The shot at 3:04 is a HO in my book, but this is AH and everyone has their own book so mine doesn't mean squat.  Have fun, don't sweat what others think and do what makes you happy.  If gaining a reputation as a player that doesn't HO is important, then pass on those borderline shots.  If I complained about everytime I was killed by a HO, or if I posted everytime someone else was displeased with how I fought them, it would be a full time job just ranting and posting about rants.  Most everyone HOs sometimes and its just a part of the game.  Have fun and let stuff like this roll of your back.

I will say that if you want to get better, you could have taken a different approach in that fight.  You were having an uninterrupted 1v1 with a good pilot who was flying a lessor plane and flying it well against one of the best planes.  Those are the fights you want to savor every minute of - and soak up what he does (and what you are doing) that is allowing him to get shots on you.  Thats a great time to hold off on shooting on face to face merges and try to gain his six while taking mental notes. 

[Nimrod45]

Again more good advice.  There were two others coming to the party, a spit and an LA-7 both of which augered trying to get me right after the P-39 went down so time I didn't have , I got credit for the augers as well. I was trying to put the P-39 down as soon as I could so I wouldn't be facing all three enemy planes over their base.

I am going to work on not flying by my gun sight and setting up my position better.  If I am understanding right by doing that I will be pulling less violent turns and saving some energy as well, right?

[bozon]

I am going to work on not flying by my gun sight and setting up my position better.  If I am understanding right by doing that I will be pulling less violent turns and saving some energy as well, right?

It's more of a mind set than anything else. You can follow these two rules:

1. Fight for position first - then go for a gun solution.
2. Don't fly according to where the bandit is now - fly according to where he is going to be!

These are of course just ways of thinking, not the detailed actions. What you do in practice varies a lot depending on the planes and the situation. For example, when I fly the Mossie VI, I fly to set up a brief snap shots - most common, a 90 degree crossing shot. When I fly the F6F, due to the weaker (but high velocity!) .50s and better maneuverability than the mossie, I try to position for a rear quarter tracking shot. So, flying towards a future gun solution does not necessarily mean to saddle up on the bandit 6.

[LCADolby]

bozon, you know those 2 rules you typed out... When will you be following them?

[bozon]

bozon, you know those 2 rules you typed out... When will you be following them?

Rules are for the commons, not the rulers.

You need to chill out man. Puff the magic dragon or something.

[muzik]

This is a film of a fight I had with a P-39. 

Dolby took the first front quarter shots when you didn't have a shot.

You took one fairly close to head on shot at the end of the fight and a couple of front quarter shots before that, but dolby didnt have a shot on you in any of your supposed HO shots.

Like someone else already suggested, after any of those shots he took early on I would call open season on the weeny because I'm not going to play "guess what my HO limits are" with a dweeb.

Fly like everyone is going to HO you and always manuever to avoid the HO, and if they continue to come nose to nose with you take whatever shot you get.

[LCADolby]

Good to see you leave the safety of your rock muzik

[mechanic]

That screen shot shows what I would call a DA HO. In the DA with experienced stick this shot would not be taken because it was 'possible' that the enemy would have been able to get a shot in too. In a duel with experienced sticks it is not required to pull all the way to HO. Both pilots know that a HO is possible and so they have a cold pass purely out of respect.

However, that screen shot does not show a HO shot. The p39 clearly does not have guns on the spit at the moment of that capture. In the MA this would be a pretty standard shot to take. The MA holds little respect for the fight or the opponent but mostly respect for the kill.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other. And what is more important is the surrounding situation. If what nimrod says about two more cons in the vicinity is accurate then I don't blame him for trying to improve his odds of survival with this front quarter shot.

Most importantly, who cares?