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Re: B-36 Cockpit 360 View
« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2014, 11:48:09 AM »
i have pictures of both the B-36 and the XB-70 from the Air Force museun. ill try to get them up for you guys!

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Re: B-36 Cockpit 360 View
« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2014, 02:13:32 PM »
How much would you have to go through before they even let you CLOSE to the flight controls of that bird, if it were still airworthy??? :headscratch:

I could legally fly it as co-pilot, to fly as PIC I'd have to get a type rating (strict checkride to show proficiency in the airplane and systems) in the Peacemaker.  Frankly the hardest part would be getting someone to let me fly their airplane.  :devil
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Re: B-36 Cockpit 360 View
« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2014, 07:12:14 PM »
I could legally fly it as co-pilot, to fly as PIC I'd have to get a type rating (strict checkride to show proficiency in the airplane and systems) in the Peacemaker.  Frankly the hardest part would be getting someone to let me fly their airplane.  :devil

 :lol  LOOKS like a handful to fly.
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Re: B-36 Cockpit 360 View
« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2014, 08:47:07 PM »
LOOKS like a handful to fly.


The Wiki article - hey, with a source, this time! - says:

"The B-36 was not a particularly enjoyable aircraft to fly. Its overall performance, in terms of speed and maneuverability, was never considered sprightly. Lieutenant General James Edmundson likened it to "...sitting on your front porch and flying your house around."

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Re: B-36 Cockpit 360 View
« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2014, 04:31:15 AM »
Pretty amazing aircraft.
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Re: B-36 Cockpit 360 View
« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2014, 09:19:05 AM »
:lol  LOOKS like a handful to fly.
:airplane: I had a friend who flew a Gulfstream G1 out of PDK for many years, who was a pilot on the "Peace maker" and I reall many conversations that we had about the RB-36. The one he flew had all the retractable gun turrets removed except the G-32 radar operated 20MM tail guns. His comment was that it flew pretty much like any heavy aircraft below 40,000 feet, the problem was when they climbed higher than 40K, that was when it was much harder to fly. Restricted to 10 degrees of bank, and with the J-47's running 100%, it became, according to him, a beast! Even though it had large control surfaces, the slow speeds at which it flew above 40K, it was subjected to "CAT", which he said was one of their fears in the big bird because of the fear of "upsets". He said that he had encountered one during the years he flew the 36 and they almost lost the aircraft, but recovered it down around 30K.
His big compliant was the 12 to 18 hour missions which they flew. Even though they all carried a 3rd pilot and could get up and move around, it wasn't like you could actually rest. They had "bunks" in the rear compartment, which someone could take a nap on, but if your position was in the front of the aircraft, to get to the bunks, you  had to lay on your back on a "crawler", which if I remember correctly was 66 feet long. I am like he said, I would never be comfortable knowing that in an emergency, I would have to lay on that crawler back to the front of the aircraft. He said he never did that, for that reason. I think that they also had 2 "bunks" in radio compartment in the front, I think, but can't remember for sure.
He used to talk about the "intercept" missions they flew. They would act as target ship for ANG and active Air Force interceptor squadrons, practicing for high altitude intercepts, over the gulf of Mexico. He said the only aircraft which could get two "gun camera" shots on them, above 50K, was the Lockheed F-104's. They would get behind them, go super sonic, zoom up and get gun camera pass on the way up and then the B-36 would turn and if the 104 pilot was sharp, could get another "shot" on the way back down! He said it was a lot of fun trying to outsmart the 104 pilot..
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Re: B-36 Cockpit 360 View
« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2014, 01:06:41 PM »
Remember Jimmy Stewart in the film Air Force? Here's a clip of the start-up, taxi and take off of the Peace Maker from the film. Great stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGjyH2ulsCk
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Re: B-36 Cockpit 360 View
« Reply #22 on: January 24, 2014, 01:19:52 PM »
Remember Jimmy Stewart in the film Air Force? Here's a clip of the start-up, taxi and take off of the Peace Maker from the film. Great stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGjyH2ulsCk

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Re: B-36 Cockpit 360 View
« Reply #23 on: January 24, 2014, 01:23:08 PM »
Remember Jimmy Stewart in the film Air Force? Here's a clip of the start-up, taxi and take off of the Peace Maker from the film. Great stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGjyH2ulsCk
:airplane: Actually that is part of the movie, Strategic Air Command, which also starred June Alyson, Frank Lovejoy and can't remember the flight engineers name, but he starred in Mash as the colonel.
My friend that I refered to in early post was stationed at Carlswell AFB while this film was being made. He comment several times about seeing all those stars at the officers mess during meal times, to stay away from crowds off base. The aircraft used in the scenes was the only B-36 left at that base, with all the retractable gun turrets still installed. If anybody has never seen that movie, they ought to rent it or buy it, it is well worth watching. It gives one of the best "pictures" of a bomber crewman and how they interacted with each other in the course of a mission. Some of the best aerial pictures you will ever see in a movie, not to mention the music score as well!
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Re: B-36 Cockpit 360 View
« Reply #24 on: January 24, 2014, 03:13:23 PM »
Remember Jimmy Stewart in the film Air Force? Here's a clip of the start-up, taxi and take off of the Peace Maker from the film. Great stuff.



Great sequence.  It was doing running the checklist when the crew had worked together a lot.  It went smoothly and quickly.

For any who may be wondering why the ground crewman was counting during engine start he was counting prop blades.  On the B-24 and B-17 we would engage the starter and count 6 blades at which point the primer was engaged then at 9 blades magnetos were turned on…on the 12th bladed the engine would start and you would then move the mixture from "idle cutoff" to "auto rich".  Nothing better than starting a round engine.   :D :airplane:
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Re: B-36 Cockpit 360 View
« Reply #25 on: January 24, 2014, 03:16:01 PM »
They used to have the full movie for free viewing on YouTube. It's a $2.99 charge now. They do have the trailer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-ItBbwKFTQ

Regrettably, if you have a Netflix account, it's not available for streaming.

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Re: B-36 Cockpit 360 View
« Reply #26 on: January 24, 2014, 10:27:27 PM »
cvery cool thankx
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Re: B-36 Cockpit 360 View
« Reply #27 on: January 24, 2014, 10:34:24 PM »
they have interiors for a bunch of planes there...

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Re: B-36 Cockpit 360 View
« Reply #28 on: January 25, 2014, 09:01:07 AM »
great post.
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Re: B-36 Cockpit 360 View
« Reply #29 on: January 25, 2014, 11:08:14 AM »
Even though it had large control surfaces, the slow speeds at which it flew above 40K, it was subjected to "CAT", which he said was one of their fears in the big bird because of the fear of "upsets".

Earl, what's "CAT"?