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Offline bustr

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When I Release The Next Historic Gunsight Package.
« on: January 23, 2014, 01:48:14 AM »
When I finish some updates to the next gunsight historic pac. I will be including a folder called gunnery. It will contain the following ww2 gunnery manuals in PDF.

United States - AAF 1943 Fighter Pilot Gunnery
Great Britain - Bag the Hun
Germany - Horrido! in German
"Horrido English Translation" of specific parts.

The package download zip file will be around 33-35mb.

Then everyone can become just as confusing as me to talk to.
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Re: When I Release The Next Historic Gunsight Package.
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2014, 02:41:53 AM »
When I finish some updates to the next gunsight historic pac. I will be including a folder called gunnery. It will contain the following ww2 gunnery manuals in PDF.

United States - AAF 1943 Fighter Pilot Gunnery
Great Britain - Bag the Hun
Germany - Horrido! in German
"Horrido English Translation" of specific parts.

The package download zip file will be around 33-35mb.

Then everyone can become just as confusing as me to talk to.

Thanks for upcoming site package , but this is just never gonna happen
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Re: When I Release The Next Historic Gunsight Package.
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2014, 03:05:47 AM »
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Re: When I Release The Next Historic Gunsight Package.
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2014, 03:51:55 PM »
When I finish some updates to the next gunsight historic pac. I will be including a folder called gunnery. It will contain the following ww2 gunnery manuals in PDF.

United States - AAF 1943 Fighter Pilot Gunnery
Great Britain - Bag the Hun
Germany - Horrido! in German
"Horrido English Translation" of specific parts.

The package download zip file will be around 33-35mb.

Then everyone can become just as confusing as me to talk to.
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Re: When I Release The Next Historic Gunsight Package.
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2014, 04:09:25 PM »
bustr, do you by any chance have any info on the sight that was used for the B-25H and its 75mm cannon?

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Re: When I Release The Next Historic Gunsight Package.
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2014, 05:35:47 PM »
I haven't tried using anything like this yet.. I would like to try it when you get it done.  <S>
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Re: When I Release The Next Historic Gunsight Package.
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2014, 07:08:58 PM »
bustr, do you by any chance have any info on the sight that was used for the B-25H and its 75mm cannon?

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You won't like this answer.

It had the standard 70Mil reticle. The dial on the left side of the N-3C body is an early war A1 tilting sight head. You could adjust for 14Mil of deflection for the center dot. The copilot read off a chart for speed, alt and range, while the pilot attempted to make it work. Maximum range was 4000 yards for shipping targets and they missed a lot.

Eventually an AN/APQ-13 Radar ranging unit was developed that automatically tilted the sight head improving shipping hits at 4000 yards to about 9 in 20 near the end of the war. The rule for accurate manual range shooting with the 75-mm T13E1 was really 2000 yards pulling up at 1000 yards.

I include a 70Mil ring in my historic pac with 10Mil tick marks to fill in for the A1 tilting sight head.
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Re: When I Release The Next Historic Gunsight Package.
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2014, 07:41:09 PM »
You won't like this answer.

It had the standard 70Mil reticle. The dial on the left side of the N-3C body is an early war A1 tilting sight head. You could adjust for 14Mil of deflection for the center dot. The copilot read off a chart for speed, alt and range, while the pilot attempted to make it work. Maximum range was 4000 yards for shipping targets and they missed a lot.

Eventually an AN/APQ-13 Radar ranging unit was developed that automatically tilted the sight head improving shipping hits at 4000 yards to about 9 in 20 near the end of the war. The rule for accurate manual range shooting with the 75-mm T13E1 was really 2000 yards pulling up at 1000 yards.

I include a 70Mil ring in my historic pac with 10Mil tick marks to fill in for the A1 tilting sight head.

What's the sight file name?  I'm currently using one that someone had made for me that is basically a ladder type sight with marks for 1,000 yards, 2,000, 3,000 and 4,000 yards.  Wonder if the historical sight would lend itself to more accuracy?

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Re: When I Release The Next Historic Gunsight Package.
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2014, 08:11:01 PM »
The problem with gunsights that have numbers at ranges. They only work at a give altitiude, and a given speed that it's creator happened to be working at that day. That's why the copilot read off from a chart while the pilot attempted to make it work. Which is why 2000yds or practice was pretty much it. Differences in alt, speed and AoA will change your round's time to target.

Here try this. Also, edit the mil file in notepad and read the comments. Might help.

Bmp and Mil file both need to be copied to the sights directory.

Download Link===>>: http://www29.zippyshare.com/v/16741178/file.html

I added a ramp (tick every 5Mil) to take the place of the ability to tilt the sight head.

N-3C 70Mil with Ramp for B25H.

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Re: When I Release The Next Historic Gunsight Package.
« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2014, 05:10:37 PM »
Found some goodys to add into the Gunnery folder.

United States - AAF 1943 Fighter Pilot Gunnery
Great Britain - Bag the Hun
Germany - Horrido! in German
"Horrido English Translation" of specific parts.

United States - AAF 1943 Get That Fighter <--- Bomber gunners manual.
United States - AAF 1944 Sights and Sighting <---- Updated sighting manual for "Get That Fighter".

A few diagrams on deflection from the Luftwaffe.

And someone more analretarded than me from Russia analyzed the Revi reticle and I found his analysis. He owns working versions of the Revi. Gotta think about redoing the German gunsights. Weeeeeeeeeee!!!!!! 
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Re: When I Release The Next Historic Gunsight Package.
« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2014, 05:32:20 PM »
Jeez you're worse than HT! So....in about two weeks right?  :D
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Re: When I Release The Next Historic Gunsight Package.
« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2014, 06:56:26 PM »
Do you have a translated Schiessfibel pdf?
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Re: When I Release The Next Historic Gunsight Package.
« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2014, 08:57:09 PM »
It was done by some air simm guys from another game. Pretty much only the parts really important to an air simm. Nicely done and they exported the illustrations for each page they translated.
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« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2014, 08:13:48 PM »
For what it is worth, I finally found the PAK-1 gunsight for the I-16.

I had to look in a Russian only forum where right clicking to run the translator is disabled. Lots of copying and pasting into a Russian to English online translator. And using an online Russian alphabet keyboard first to get the Russian words from jpg copies of old Russian gunsight manuals into a text buffer in Cyrillic to copy and past into the online translator.

Our resident WW2 technology gurus have nothing on how extreme the Russians will go to prove their points to each other. Never argue with a Russian unless you have more technical books, and at least the same level of university education he does.

The Russian Air Combat 1940 gunnery manual assumes you have been to college and read math like a second language. Very few pictures. For our game purposes it was not worth downloading.
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Re: When I Release The Next Historic Gunsight Package.
« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2014, 08:29:25 PM »
The Russian Air Combat 1940 gunnery manual assumes you have been to college and read math like a second language. Very few pictures. For our game purposes it was not worth downloading.
Which is kinda funny considering the miserable combat record Soviet fighter pilots put up in 1940 and 1941 compared to their Finnish, German, American, British Commonwealth, French and Japanese contemporaries.
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