Lets Simplify This

[Slade]

According to how our ranking system works. The skill required to get kills in this:



Is not different than the skills required to get kills in THIS:



If rank significantly factored in what plane you use it would have meaning...but it doesn't.  I wish it did.

Slade  

[SmokinLoon]

You and me both, bro. 

The fact that some banana in a La7, Tempest, P51D, Spitfire Mk XVI, F4U, or other such easy mode plane gets the same score as someone who gets kills in a P40x, P47x, 109G, 190, or other such plane with a much smaller tool belt is very misleading.  I don't know how HTC would do it, but linking the plane to the ranking system would shake things up in a major way.  We'd see a huge shift in which planes seen in the virtual skies of AH, the score hoars would have to up in a 20+ and 30+ ENY aircraft from time to time in order to keep their rank.

Ultimately, I think the ranking system should be thrown out anyways.  If anything, figure out how to tie perks earned to rank.  Then that fellow flying the P40, zeke, etc, would get their due.  As will the fellow flying the Boston III, He111, G4M, B25, etc.  As it is, the Lgay, P51D, other such easy mode plane circle jerk will continue.  Sad it is.   

[kvuo75]

According to how our ranking system works. The skill required to get kills in this:

who ever said the rank system in fighters was supposed to represent skill? I always assumed it was effectiveness at getting kills.


anyway, to get the effect you want, you could replace kills/sortie with perks earned/sortie..

[caldera]

The simplest way to implement would be to add ENY/Kill to fighter score.  Every kill in a numerically higher ENY plane would help boost your score.


For example:  A player with 99 kills in a P-40C and 1 kill in a Tempest would have a ENY/Kill of almost 40.  Another player with 99 kills in a P-51D and 1 kill in a C.202 would have an ENY/Kill of barely over 5.0.  The first player would have a higher fighter rank, all else being equal.


Another worthy score parameter to include would be Assists/Death, meaning the average number of players required to kill you.  If you normally are easily bested by any pilot in a fair fight, your Assists/Death would be close to 0.  Now if you are flying into clouds of red or are simply very good, it will take more pilots to bring you down.  The higher the number, the better your score. 


Kills/ENY and Assists/Death, added to the other fighter score parameters, would more realistically represent skill in the MA.

[Karnak]

Have fun with the arguments about what the actual ranking of each airplane should be.  It will be fun for endless debate/arguing/shouting/whining.

[Vortex]

According to how our ranking system works. The skill required to get kills in this:

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Is not different than the skills required to get kills in THIS:

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If rank significantly factored in what plane you use it would have meaning...but it doesn't.  I wish it did.

Slade  

Indeed. Rank = completely meaningless because of this.

[BaldEagl]

Sorry but it's just not that simple.

A guy flying Spit XVI's in one on ones all day isn't likely as skilled as another flying the same plane into a sea of red and landing an occasional kill and I don't see any way that can be measured through stats.

If we follow that line of reasoning a guy who fly's a P-40 with altitude looking only for lower, unaware pilots is not as skilled as the fight at all costs Spit XVI pilot in the example above.

I'm afraid that any attempt at ranking by percieved plane difficulty will result in more players in higher ENY planes flying more timidly than they do now in their lower ENY planes.

How about instead of worrying about what others fly we worry about how we get more of them to fight?

[caldera]

Have fun with the arguments about what the actual ranking of each airplane should be.  It will be fun for endless debate/arguing/shouting/whining.

No doubt, but it would still be better than the current score setup.  At least this would encourage more people to get out of their crutch rides from time to time.

Sorry but it's just not that simple.

A guy flying Spit XVI's in one on ones all day isn't likely as skilled as another flying the same plane into a sea of red and landing an occasional kill and I don't see any way that can be measured through stats.

If we follow that line of reasoning a guy who fly's a P-40 with altitude looking only for lower, unaware pilots is not as skilled as the fight at all costs Spit XVI pilot in the example above.

I'm afraid that any attempt at ranking by percieved plane difficulty will result in more players in higher ENY planes flying more timidly than they do now in their lower ENY planes.

How about instead of worrying about what others fly we worry about how we get more of them to fight?

And the Spit XVI pilot chimes in. 

[alpini13]

at what point in your fantasy world did you come up with this....lets look at the real world. in real military,rank and promotions are NOT entirely based on performance. in sports rank or value is NOT based solely on performance.....if it did, no great player would ever be traded unless he was injured. in the work place position(rank) and pay are NOT based soley on performance....just ask any multi-million dollar exec at a large company, and the guy on the line who is doing the work and who comes up with a million dollar idea.. about the pay scale.  face it,life is not fair. and in this GAME there is already a system in place that addresses your question....its the perk point system.....kill a me262 in a ki-43 get more perks than kill a ki-43 in an me262.    you get perk points.  perk points dont have a bearing on rank.  no one is making your fly the planes or gv's...its YOUR choice.  why should you be rewarded with a higher rank when you can choose what plane or gv you are using?

[Slade]

I expect those that routinely fly La7s, Spit16s and the like to find every possible reason to not adjust the rank system based on the wish.  Take everything out of context to find a context to support their erroneous point of view.

Hey, you can still fly uber planes.  Rank would just be better aligned with ACM skill.  Nothing more.

[BaldEagl]

And the Spit XVI pilot chimes in. 

Spit IX.  Get it right.

And BTW this system would benefit me greatly.  What's the IX?  15 ENY?

[ink]

easy to game...up a P40 fly in the gang and vulch...you are the bestest......



it does not matter what someone flies....it matters HOW someone flies.

people fly the P40....P39...and stay in the green gang....how does that make them better?

one suggestion so far was a very good one.....

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Another worthy score parameter to include would be Assists/Death, meaning the average number of players required to kill you.  If you normally are easily bested by any pilot in a fair fight, your Assists/Death would be close to 0.  Now if you are flying into clouds of red or are simply very good, it will take more pilots to bring you down.  The higher the number, the better your score. 


Kills/ENY and Assists/Death, added to the other fighter score parameters, would more realistically represent skill in the MA.

[guncrasher]

According to how our ranking system works. The skill required to get kills in this:

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Is not different than the skills required to get kills in THIS:

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If rank significantly factored in what plane you use it would have meaning...but it doesn't.  I wish it did.

Slade  

the skill needed to pick and vulch in an la7 is not really that different that picking in a p40.   



semp

[kvuo75]

there could be a population modifier.. front end just counts the number of enemy vs friendly in range and adjusts either perks or score points..  if theres 20 friendly and 2 enemy, you'd get less than the opposite.

[SmokinLoon]

the skill needed to pick and vulch in an la7 is not really that different that picking in a p40.   



semp

Whatever you've been smoking please share.  You're fooling yourself if you think any of the P40's can match the ability of the La7 to "pick and vulch".  I'm not sure if the P40 can match the La7 in anything.  But in terms of what is needed to pick-n-vulch: Dive?  Firepower? Roll? Stability? Climb? Recovery and reset? Granted, the first attack pass may be similar in aircraft performance, but from there the La7 leaves the P40 in the dust.