SdKfz 234/2 Puma For Next GV

[Tull]

Gents,

   I call for bringing the Puma German AC into the ground war.  I wish to beat the drum (or dead horse) again for the next addition to the fleet of ground vehicles in the game.  It is a good counter to the Hellcat and the 50mm gun is already modeled in game with the Me 410. 

SdKfz 234 (Puma)
8-Wheeled Armed Reconnaissance

Country of Origin: Nazi Germany
Manufacturer: Bussing-NAG - Nazi Germany
Initial Year of Service: 1943
Production: 2,300

Focus Model: SdKfz 234/2 (Puma)
Crew: 4

Overall Length: 22.31ft (6.80m)
Width: 7.64ft (2.33m)
Height: 7.81ft (2.38m)
Weight: 11.7 US Short Tons (10,614kg; 23,400lbs)

Powerplant: 1 x Tatra 103 series 12-cylinder, air-cooled diesel engine delivering 220 horsepower at 2,250rpm.

Maximum Speed: 50mph (80 km/h)
Maximum Range: 621 miles (1,000 km)

NBC Protection: None
Nightvision: None

Armament:
1 x 50mm (5cm) KwK 39/1 L/60 main gun
1 x 7.92mm MG42 general purpose machine gun in coaxial mount.

Ammunition:
55 x 50mm projectiles
2,850 x 7.92mm ammunition

Variants:
SdKfz 234 - Base Series Designation
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SdKfz 234/1 - Base Version; fitting 1 x 20mm KwK 38 autocannon in open-topped turret.

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SdKfz 234/2 (Puma) - Definitive Production Model; fitting 1 x 50mm KwK 39/1 L/60 tank gun with armored mantlet.

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SdKfz 234/3 (Schwerer Panzerspahwagen) - Fire Support Vehicle; fitted with 1 x 75mm KwK 51 L/24 low-velocity gun in open-topped turret.

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SdKfz 234/4 - Tank Destroyer; final series production variant; fitting 1 x 75mm PaK 40 anti-tank gun.

Operators:
Nazi Germany

v/r

Jamie   

Tull, 367th Dynamite Gang

JAMES W GENTRY III
Contractor, Northrop Grumman
Mission Command Training Support Program (MCTSP)
Senior Training Advisor (STA)
278th Armored Cavalry Regiment, TN ARNG


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[Scca]

Have you guyz been hanging out in the same bar?  http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,316022.0.html 

[Rich46yo]

Interesting GV. But we do need a Soviet TD dont we?

[SmokinLoon]

Interesting GV. But we do need a Soviet TD dont we?

The Su-100 would make a fine addition to AH.  So would the SdKfz 234/2 "Puma" as well.  The Puma would be a M18/M8 hybrid, and the Su-100 would be similar to the Jagdpanzer IV L/70, but with a slower rate of fire.

The Panzer III, StuG III/IV, Crusader Mk III (6 Pdr), and Cromwell should/could be given attention as well.

Anything but the fanboi Pershing. 

[Tank-Ace]

From what I can find, here's the list of GV's we need to give us good coverage for the war as a whole:

Germany:
Panzer III F (37mm and 50mm both options. Would serve from start of the war to early-mid 1942)
Panzer III M (instead of L, so that we have the visual modeling for an eventual Stug III G)


UK:
Crusader Mk I (1941)
Valentine Mk VIII (1943)
Eventually add Cromwell (1944/45)

Russia:
BT-7 (in service 1935)
Perhaps add SU-100, though it is in no way necessary for adequate coverage of soviet vehicles.


That will give us adequate coverage for most of the war. And as for the Soviet and UK SPG's, it needs to be noted that they made far less use of assault guns and tank destroyers (relative to the overall size of their armored forces) than did Germany. All told, they only had something over 30,000 AFV's for the entire war (including total production run and preproduction models of all indigenous Panzer designs, as well as all Czech LT vz. 35 and LT vz. 38's produced) and yet they produced something on the order of 20,0000 SPG's of all models.

So close to 2/3rds of German armored forces were actually SPG's, while despite the low production numbers of vehicles like the Jagdpanther, it is actually somewhat representative that we have it and not the SU-100, even though the SU-100 was somewhere around four times as numerous.

The USA was second leading user of SPG's relative to the overall size of their armored forces, and this is reflected in them being the only other nation to have a TD.

[Scherf]

Interesting GV. But we do need a Soviet TD dont we?

"The Mighty Jingles" likes his World of Tanks ISU-152:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fg55rF8vv90&list=HL1391056118

Start around 19:20 to get to the good bit.

[SmokinLoon]

"The Mighty Jingles" likes his World of Tanks ISU-152:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fg55rF8vv90&list=HL1391056118

Start around 19:20 to get to the good bit.

The ISU-152 would get eaten alive in AH.  Don't let that big HE gun fool you, it had an atrocious reload rate. The ammo projectile and propellant were separate.  The Tiger, Panther, Firefly, and King Tiger would own it.  Not to mention the the Panzer IV H and M4/76 inside 1600 yards.  Oh, and don't forget the M18 zipping around to the flank. 

[hotcoffe]

+1

[Denniss]

Only 101 of the 234/2 were built + some hundred of the /1, /3 and /4 versions but nowhere near the 2300 claimed in the first post.

The 234/1 was the definitive production model, the first version /2 was just made to use turrets already in production for a cancelled recon tank.
And again, Puma has never been an official name or used by the Wehrmacht. This is from the mighty imagination of postwar authors.

[Tank-Ace]

Only 101 of the 234/2 were built + some hundred of the /1, /3 and /4 versions but nowhere near the 2300 claimed in the first post.

The 234/1 was the definitive production model, the first version /2 was just made to use turrets already in production for a cancelled recon tank.
And again, Puma has never been an official name or used by the Wehrmacht. This is from the mighty imagination of postwar authors.

Come on, how can you say no to this?

[ReVo]

+1 to the Puma

[R 105]

 

[Wildcatdad]

"The Mighty Jingles" likes his World of Tanks ISU-152:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fg55rF8vv90&list=HL1391056118

Start around 19:20 to get to the good bit.

Now all we need is tho TOG 2! 

[Karnak]

Come on, how can you say no to this?

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By looking at the current ratio of German vehicles to non-German vehicles?

I agree it ought to be added eventually, and that German GVs are more impressive and "sexier" than non-German vehicles, but we do need diversity too.

[Butcher]

Have you guyz been hanging out in the same bar?  http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,316022.0.html 

Well we were in the same squad for years, so yes! and Yes to the Puma!