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Re: comparing
« Reply #30 on: January 30, 2014, 03:20:28 PM »
So you have no proof other than some baseless rumor and you're willing to believe that over the developers.   :rofl

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Geshh i was not trying to prove anything lol calm down people,was just a statement that like in MA you all gang tard on.
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Re: comparing
« Reply #31 on: January 30, 2014, 03:23:38 PM »
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"Then out spake brave Horatius, the Captain of the gate:
 To every man upon this earth, death cometh soon or late.
 And how can man die better, than facing fearful odds.
 For the ashes of his fathers and the temples of his Gods."

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Re: comparing
« Reply #32 on: January 30, 2014, 03:28:15 PM »
Just a question?

That sounds like a thinly veiled accusation.
Yes  (i WONDER why) and Nope not at all...Decided to jump on this train to?
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Re: comparing
« Reply #33 on: January 30, 2014, 03:41:26 PM »
Sunka which particular pilot story are you talking about? Put the quote down so we can figure out the issue..
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Re: comparing
« Reply #34 on: January 30, 2014, 03:43:21 PM »
Also remember that the planes as flown in the game and as flown historically may have different characteristics in those speed/altitude ranges... the average AH furball is with the throttle wide open/WEP engaged below 5,000 ft with pilots who've spent literally hundreds of hours at the stick fighting in that cartoon plane. In practice, most pilots had minimal actual fighting experience, and were at lower speeds and higher altitudes.

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Re: comparing
« Reply #35 on: January 30, 2014, 03:46:53 PM »
agreed Jeff.. no one in the Late War Arena cares about engine reliability.. or fuel consumption.. or sickening g-forces.. to the degree I think a real combat pilot would.. good points to ponder before opening the ole cake hole..
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Re: comparing
« Reply #36 on: January 30, 2014, 03:46:57 PM »
Sunka which particular pilot story are you talking about? Put the quote down so we can figure out the issue..
Well dog fights for one.There are one or two more that tell storys but i cant think of the show,ones on hulu i think.
And thank you for being the only one to treat this like a person and not get all defensive.
I never tried to trash talk AH and was not trying to now


In all the years i have been here i have been nothing but respectful and upstanding.
One comment is all it takes from this community to all gang on ya ,including the owner.Very nice  really guys.


ty again craz07   :salute
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Re: comparing
« Reply #37 on: January 30, 2014, 03:48:57 PM »
Also remember that the planes as flown in the game and as flown historically may have different characteristics in those speed/altitude ranges... the average AH furball is with the throttle wide open/WEP engaged below 5,000 ft with pilots who've spent literally hundreds of hours at the stick fighting in that cartoon plane. In practice, most pilots had minimal actual fighting experience, and were at lower speeds and higher altitudes.
Good point.
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Re: comparing
« Reply #38 on: January 30, 2014, 03:59:54 PM »
Yes  (i WONDER why) and Nope not at all...Decided to jump on this train to?

You're right, it's not my fight.  Still, you could have worded that first sentence much better.
"Then out spake brave Horatius, the Captain of the gate:
 To every man upon this earth, death cometh soon or late.
 And how can man die better, than facing fearful odds.
 For the ashes of his fathers and the temples of his Gods."

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Re: comparing
« Reply #39 on: January 30, 2014, 04:02:54 PM »
Still, you could have worded that first sentence much better.
Agreed.
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Re: comparing
« Reply #40 on: January 30, 2014, 04:07:21 PM »
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Re: comparing
« Reply #41 on: January 30, 2014, 04:25:17 PM »
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Re: comparing
« Reply #42 on: January 30, 2014, 04:57:46 PM »
I'm gonna play devils advocate for both sides here.


In a previous thread, it was posted by someone from HTC that clearly stated flight models aren't adjusted for 'game play' purposes. 

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First, I sense a lack of inertial roll that doesn't seem realistic. No I don't have hard data except for a simple law of physics.  Seems once a roll is initiated, no matter how fast that roll was, it quickly stops with little or no stick counter.

And the Brew is an unbelievable freak of nature.

I don't know if either is proof of anything and I don't believe it is intentional if they are off.

And i have wondered for years...why the story's i hear for years from WWII pilots don't jive with HTC's p51 model.


And back to the op, misconceptions.

First is pride. Lots of pilots said their a/c was the best ever made. Some really believed their own hype.

I've heard the same things about the pony. A lot of vets believed they could out turn any 109. I think they just never met a 109 in the right conditions that included a pilot who was skilled with the 109, who was dumb enough to get into a protracted turn fight when he was most likely outnumbered and probably a half a dozen other factors.

The 109 turns well but has nasty all around handling characteristics. The Pony had great handling characteristics all around.

IRL no one pushed the envelope without huge concern for what the consequences were. In the Mustang our guys felt comfortable pushing further. I would bet not so much in the 109.

And from what I can tell, the 109 wasn't seen as a turn fighter by the Germans. What I see is that they were always focused on speed and the fact that a couple of 109s were close in turn performance to Allied counterparts was incidental to them.
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Re: comparing
« Reply #43 on: January 30, 2014, 06:00:14 PM »
The plural of 'anecdote' is not 'data'.

Wiley.


I love this quote, Wiley.  It is your concise and apropos comments like this that make me wonder if I'll ever have the opportunity to buy you a scotch and sit together solving the worlds ills while drinking it.  Here's a virtual cheers, anyway. [clink]

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Re: comparing
« Reply #44 on: January 30, 2014, 06:07:25 PM »

I love this quote, Wiley.  It is your concise and apropos comments like this that make me wonder if I'll ever have the opportunity to buy you a scotch and sit together solving the worlds ills while drinking it.  Here's a virtual cheers, anyway. [clink]

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p.s. I think it's great that we are afforded a forum to question and debate FM's and other aspects of the game design.  I also think it's exceptional that HT takes the time to personally come here and staunchly defend them.  It shows that he both pays attention to what we lowly customers are saying and also that he takes great pride in his product.  These are good things.

this I think is great also.... :aok





I don't know why people talk so badly of the brew..its a good little plane...but very easy to defeat.....

 any plane is dangerous if the situation favors that plane....

its like when I flew the Hurri2c....you wouldn't believe the amount of times I was called a cheater for killing people in that plane....

im like ......ummm durrrr dude I may not be faster then you.....but my 4 20mm are..... :rolleyes: