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Offline rogwar

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Latest Russian fighter demo
« on: January 30, 2014, 10:51:55 AM »
People on an outdoors forum I follow were oooowwwwing and aaaahhhhhhing about the incredible capability of the latest Russian fighters in this video. What do you think?

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=77e_1389637750
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Offline Arbiter

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Re: Latest Russian fighter demo
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2014, 10:57:27 AM »
Impresive. 

F22 would still smoke them all in a fight while they were flying around doing those pretty loop-de-loops and ground hovers.  Too bad we only have a hundred or so.  I'll stop there before this gets into a political discussion.
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Re: Latest Russian fighter demo
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2014, 11:01:12 AM »
Quote from: Arbiter on January 30, 2014, 10:57:27 AM
Impresive.  

F22 would still smoke them all in a fight while they were flying around doing those pretty loop-de-loops and ground hovers.  Too bad we only have a hundred or so.  I'll stop there before this gets into a political discussion.

you say so but most of the experts calling F22 and F35 lemon planes...
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Re: Latest Russian fighter demo
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2014, 11:09:19 AM »
Impressive isn't the word I would use -  amazing maneuvers.  Whether they stack up to the F-22 or F-35 technologically; that's a different story but I gotta say I would love to have witnessed that in person.

Back in 1991, The Russians visited Love Field outside of Dallas and since I happened to be stationed at Carswell AFB at the time, I went out to watch the show.  The Russians were offering ten minute rides in the MIG-29 and there was a line of folks waiting for their turn at $10,000 a pop.  I was completely impressed with that AC and it holds nothing compared to what we see today.
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Re: Latest Russian fighter demo
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2014, 11:10:53 AM »
Quote from: hotcoffe on January 30, 2014, 11:01:12 AM
you say so but most of the experts calling F22 and F35 limon planes...

LOL
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Re: Latest Russian fighter demo
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2014, 11:20:45 AM »
Quote from: -ammo- on January 30, 2014, 11:09:19 AM
Impressive isn't the word I would use -  amazing maneuvers.  Whether they stack up to the F-22 or F-35 technologically; that's a different story but I gotta say I would love to have witnessed that in person.

Very true and you got my point.  The F-22 technologically is leaps and bounds ahead of even the latest Russian offerings where it counts: lethality and stealth.  It does have problems such as the reported O2 system for the pilot but it is still the finest figher aircraft in the world today bar none. 

I will not argue the F-35.  I hope I am wrong but in my opinion the F-35 concept will not pan out.  Jack-of-all-trades-master-of-none is hard to pull off.
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Re: Latest Russian fighter demo
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2014, 11:34:03 AM »
Quote from: -ammo- on January 30, 2014, 11:10:53 AM
LOL
lol back at you... Even the guy who was one of the master minds behind the F16s says so....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxDSiwqM2nw
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Re: Latest Russian fighter demo
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2014, 11:53:03 AM »
Quote from: hotcoffe on January 30, 2014, 11:01:12 AM
you say so but most of the experts calling F22 and F35 lemon planes...

"Experts" you say... Care to name one?
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Re: Latest Russian fighter demo
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2014, 11:56:56 AM »
Nice RC jets btw...
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Re: Latest Russian fighter demo
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Re: Latest Russian fighter demo
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2014, 12:28:34 PM »
Care to name one?

I'm not going to spend the better part of an hour watching that. I do not consider anything the media produces to be "experts" in any way, form or function.
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Re: Latest Russian fighter demo
« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2014, 12:31:14 PM »
The RC jets look like Chinese J-10 fighters.

The Russian demo was pretty old.  Things to note are the way the nose *always* drops before the plane flies out of maneuvers, and the nose also usually slices nose-left during the pitch-up high AOA pulls due to engine torque effects.  The F-22 does neither of those things since it is more completely in control during its maneuvers.
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Re: Latest Russian fighter demo
« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2014, 12:33:26 PM »
Let me know when they can dodge an AIM-9x
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Re: Latest Russian fighter demo
« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2014, 12:33:46 PM »
Quote from: GScholz on January 30, 2014, 12:28:34 PM
Care to name one?

I'm not going to spend the better part of an hour watching that. I do not consider anything the media produces to be "experts" in any way, form or function.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQB4W8C0rZI

here 10min version for u.... If you dont want to get informed there is notthing i can do for you....
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Re: Latest Russian fighter demo
« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2014, 12:40:53 PM »
Quote from: GScholz on January 30, 2014, 11:56:56 AM
Nice RC jets btw...

That's what I found funny on the other forum.

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