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Offline artik

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How do you deal with outclassed planes at LW MA like Zero, F4F, Brewster, Hurricane, P-40 and others of this type?

These planes are mostly outclassed in all possible ways except turn rate.

Some of them are very slow and can be easily outrun by any late war plane like La 7, P-51D, Dora, 109K, Yak-3, Spit XVI and so, however they may be deadly if you are low, slow and turning with some other plane of higher class.

My general method is following, if they are not at 400-600 on your 6 and closing, just ignore them they can do no harm...
However I keep an eye on them so they wouldn't try to sneak out on me when I turn for example in Yak-3 with Pony.

I attack them only if I find no other more interesting targets or they happen to be in favorable position to kill them.

How do you deal with outclassed planes at LW MA?

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Re: How do you deal with outclassed planes at LW MA like Zero, F4F, Brewster?
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2014, 08:00:40 AM »
If you're a morning time Bish, you fly these planes a lot. I prefer the Brew, F4F or P47-11 (if available) as they're all pretty durable. If defending a base against the horde, I'll up at an adjacent base and grab to 10K-12K and then hunt the stragglers below me. The trick is, get in and get out...once you're in the thick of it, it's chute time.

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Re: How do you deal with outclassed planes at LW MA like Zero, F4F, Brewster?
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2014, 09:05:31 AM »
You will need to energy fight the Zero, Brew, Hurri in any of those planes listed, albeit the SpitXVI has such a high rate of turn that given any advantage it should be able to stay behind them in turns long enough to get the kill.

Energy fighting means using the vertical to reposition against turns you cannot follow, which in turn means having enough of speed overhead that they cannot follow your aircraft up. You have to be aggressive, you have to force them to bleed off enough speed that they are below corner velocity and easy to hit, and you HAVE to manage your own speed. You can't take a shot with much chance of success if you're going 400 against a 200mph turning bandit. It can be a tough art, you really need to be able to shoot.

Tip: When meeting a turn and burny plane coalt, have good speed, such as at max cruise in a P-51, unload and get below them before you merge. Pull up into them on the merge and many, many times in the MA they will dive almost straight down to meet you coming up. They then have to fight gravity before coming back up, and provided you were fast, you can zoom on them and get top position for your attacks.

Even better against such planes are wingman tactics, almost vital when it is many against many. One AC forces the break turn from the tnb craft and the other figures where it is going to be because of the turn to take a snapshot. Best if you can come in from their bellyside in the turn.

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Re: How do you deal with outclassed planes at LW MA like Zero, F4F, Brewster?
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2014, 09:21:24 AM »
 Try the ME109F-4 even if it is out of the EW arena it is a surprising little war bird. In the right hands it can hold it's own in any arena. Learn to shoot because it has limited ammo but a very good 20MM and it accelerates very well :cheers:

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Re: How do you deal with outclassed planes at LW MA like Zero, F4F, Brewster?
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2014, 11:46:15 AM »
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Re: How do you deal with outclassed planes at LW MA like Zero, F4F, Brewster?
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2014, 12:22:33 PM »
Umm.. I basically just try not to get shot down by them.. because I've had my arse handed to me several times by these so called "outclassed" fighters
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Re: How do you deal with outclassed planes at LW MA like Zero, F4F, Brewster?
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2014, 12:27:36 PM »
It's a very well kept secret but all of the best dogfighters are around 25-40 eny.  :)

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Re: How do you deal with outclassed planes at LW MA like Zero, F4F, Brewster?
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2014, 12:48:52 PM »
Fighting against them?  Keep it fast.  Using them myself, alt works wonders for early and mid war aircraft.

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Re: How do you deal with outclassed planes at LW MA like Zero, F4F, Brewster?
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2014, 12:56:14 PM »
There are no outclassed planes in the MA.

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Re: How do you deal with outclassed planes at LW MA like Zero, F4F, Brewster?
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2014, 01:11:19 PM »
I don't think the Brew belongs in this list.
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Re: How do you deal with outclassed planes at LW MA like Zero, F4F, Brewster?
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2014, 01:19:48 PM »
Brew is very capable. 

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Re: How do you deal with outclassed planes at LW MA like Zero, F4F, Brewster?
« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2014, 01:24:35 PM »
I don't think the Brew belongs in this list.
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Brew is very capable. 



Its K/D ratio is not significantly different than the A6Ms.  I don't find it particularly capable, just often whined about.
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Re: How do you deal with outclassed planes at LW MA like Zero, F4F, Brewster?
« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2014, 01:25:17 PM »
It's a very well kept secret but all of the best dogfighters are around 25-40 eny.  :)

P-38G, P47D25 and D11, Yak7b, Yak9t and 9u... and of course the best fighter in the entire game... 109F4.  :devil :aok
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Re: How do you deal with outclassed planes at LW MA like Zero, F4F, Brewster?
« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2014, 01:43:22 PM »
I just feel that most of "outclassed" planes are almost ignorable. I mean I see a fight with F4F, Spit XVI, Pony, 109G/K and Zero. I filter and get look on Spit XVI, Pony, 109G/K only. I fell that they almost not a threat.

I don't ignore them completely but they take a unproportionality  small amount of my attention (of course I keep myself fast most of the time).

Does anybody also does it with a success?
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Re: How do you deal with outclassed planes at LW MA like Zero, F4F, Brewster?
« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2014, 02:01:14 PM »
I just feel that most of "outclassed" planes are almost ignorable. I mean I see a fight with F4F, Spit XVI, Pony, 109G/K and Zero. I filter and get look on Spit XVI, Pony, 109G/K only. I fell that they almost not a threat.

I don't ignore them completely but they take a unproportionality  small amount of my attention (of course I keep myself fast most of the time).

Does anybody also does it with a success?

Depends if they're above me or not.  As far as I'm concerned, the worst place to be in this game is fast, with something twistier than what I'm flying diving in on me from behind.

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