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Offline beau32

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National Archives
« on: February 13, 2014, 09:00:11 PM »
Since they took away our internet at work, all we get now is military and government sites. I decided to give the National Archive Website a try. And what a treasure of information is on there. Especially Gun cam film. I post a link below to check out, but I have never seen a good portion of these films. Things from 110's getting attacked, and firing their rockets to lose them, to american pilots strafing german pilots that have crash landed. Hope you all  find it intresting.


http://research.archives.gov/description/65501

Same as above, but the film
http://media.nara.gov/mopix/342/usaf/342-USAF-17629.wmv
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Offline bacon8tr

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Re: National Archives
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2014, 10:06:48 PM »
Great find.  Thanks for sharing  :aok
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Offline Chalenge

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Re: National Archives
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2014, 12:50:25 AM »
Must be fake video. Vultching in real life? Our boys wouldn't do that! :devil
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Offline lyric1

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Re: National Archives
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2014, 01:15:30 AM »
What is wrong with the 190's in the gun cam footage?
They are not jerking about all over the place when some one got on there 6?



Oh yeah no induced internet lag to save them. :devil
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Offline Chalenge

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Re: National Archives
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2014, 01:35:01 AM »
In the cartoon world everyone has instant recovery from spatial disorientation.
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Offline Blooz

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Re: National Archives
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2014, 01:53:31 PM »
Quote from: lyric1 on February 14, 2014, 01:15:30 AM
What is wrong with the 190's in the gun cam footage?
They are not jerking about all over the place when some one got on there 6?
Oh yeah no induced internet lag to save them. :devil

They are mostly "two weekers". Half trained kids, just trying to fly the plane, let alone fight.

Jump on a two weekers six in game and you'll get the same result...an easy kill for the same reason.

Most of us here have been flying cartoon planes for twice as long as the war really lasted. When we make a mistake, we don't die for real, so e get to learn from it. Over and over. For years and years.
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Re: National Archives
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2014, 02:05:09 PM »
I'd wager that we'd be pretty tough for any real life pilot to beat in a 1v1 dogfight  :devil.
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Re: National Archives
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2014, 03:07:19 PM »
Quote from: Tank-Ace on February 14, 2014, 02:05:09 PM
I'd wager that we'd be pretty tough for any real life pilot to beat in a 1v1 dogfight  :devil.

I'd wager you would get yourself killed before you ever saw an enemy.

@Blooz, sorry but that isn't true either. I can show you tons of videos of many long-term users in AH that do the 'ger-flopen thing.' Even some of the top F4U pilots do it now.
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Re: National Archives
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2014, 04:24:19 PM »
Quote from: Chalenge on February 14, 2014, 03:07:19 PM
I'd wager you would get yourself killed before you ever saw an enemy.


Agreed.  (Although you could insist on not flying unless the enemy aircraft had red icons.)  As well, many of the maneuvers we fly in this game would have us barfing our guts out into our oxygen masks, while our arm and leg muscles started to jelly out from our efforts.

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Re: National Archives
« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2014, 02:30:21 PM »
Quote from: Chalenge on February 14, 2014, 03:07:19 PM
@Blooz, sorry but that isn't true either. I can show you tons of videos of many long-term users in AH that do the 'ger-flopen thing.' Even some of the top F4U pilots do it now.

That's not my point. My point is why, in real life, the targets in gun cam film don't aggressively maneuver. My answer is "they didn't know they were in trouble or if they did know, were not prepared to take action."

We, here in cartoon combat land, get to learn, over and over, from our mistakes. In real life, you rarely get to make more than one mistake.
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Re: National Archives
« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2014, 02:59:32 PM »
I see. Well, I still disagree. There is nothing more aggressive than a desperate, young, and scared kid. You can read many accounts of kids straining their planes to the fullest to avoid gun fire, so I think the Luftwaffe would be no different. We have video of 190s in extended turn battles with Jugs and 51s, and yet not one video of a 'ger-flopen thing,' so it has to a physical limitation that does not exist in Aces High. Spatial disorientation would be a fairly big problem to be avoided.
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Re: National Archives
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2014, 10:30:36 AM »
Quote from: Chalenge on February 15, 2014, 02:59:32 PM
'ger-flopen thing,'
:lol


Any 1 notice at about 3:18 2nd Lt. W.A.McClure 56thFG attacking FW-290?

Robert Johnson's book "Thunderbolt" he claims this and most just say he wrote the book 15 years after the war....he forgot or was mistaken.

Robert Johnson's wing man 1st Lt. Joe Powers also talks about shooting a in FW with an inline engine.... is this what Johnson, Powers and McClure called the "New" FW?

The 2 reports



Hmmm,

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Re: National Archives
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2014, 11:01:35 AM »
I am unable to get it to work. Says I need a "plug-in." Any suggestions?
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Re: National Archives
« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2014, 11:15:32 AM »
Quote from: lyric1 on February 14, 2014, 01:15:30 AM
What is wrong with the 190's in the gun cam footage?
They are not jerking about all over the place when some one got on there 6?

No they couldn't get gun cam footage of those...  :aok
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Re: National Archives
« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2014, 11:34:59 AM »
As a side note: A very good, perhaps the best, documentary on the 190.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf1uvnTRkB0
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