Score\Stats\Rank vs. Skill Misperception‎s

[Wiley]

Well I will concede that I am probably wrong about the average abilities of AH pilots, however I still believe that it is impossible to judge skill level on score alone.

Oh, I agree.  I really like Lusche's 'business card' comment.  There's always more to it, but it can reflect tendencies.  I see it more along the lines of 'if you fly a certain way, this will reflect in your score in this way', but that doesn't necessarily mean 'your score shows this, therefore you fly a certain way.' which I think is a significant distinction.

Wiley.

[BluBerry]

Bluberry, if it's so easy to get both a high k/d and a high kill/time, prove it - I'm telling you it isn't, it is very hard work and takes a lot of aggressive flying, accurate shooting, and going where the fights are, constantly.  I'm saying this from experience, as I was the type with high kill/time, flying much like Latrobe, only worse - I would have 2 or less kill/death ratios and around 9 to 10 kills/hour.  To bring that k/d up to 4 or 5 and maintain or increase the kills/hour is unbelievably hard.  Again, if it's such a snap to manipulate scores and do that, prove it next tour - I'm betting you can't get a 5 k/d and a double digit k/h your first attempt at doing so, but hey, feel free to prove me wrong.
 Bluberry, I'd love to see you prove it next tour - a 5 kill/death ratio and a 10 kills/hour.

You must have missed where I said..

It ain't quick, your k/t will suck..

I was never talking bout having a high k/d and k/t at the same time. I am saying that it is easy to change something like a K/D.
Now if you want to see if I can go over a K/D of 5 next tour then challenge accepted, but the way I would do it I won't have a good k/t.



EDIT:

LOL love how you went back an edited it gman..

Bluberry, I'd love to see you prove it next tour - a 5 kill/death ratio and a 10 kills/hour.

Bluberry, I'd love to see you prove it next tour - a 6 kill/death ratio and a 10 kills/hour.

[Lusche]

Lusche, you being slow to respond this time makes me feel like I'm about to get hit with a chart 

Sorry, wife just came home and noted dinner wasn't ready yet... 

[DmonSlyr]

I typically use score as a guide to measure my performance. I think score in this game (been playing for a while) is pretty easy to achieve. I one time proved to myself that I could get under 100 overall rank in 3 days. If you notice my scores now ull see that I die about 50% of my sorties maybe a little more and only land maybe 30% of the time or less. I always tell people to focus on getting as many kills as you can rather than trying to land 2 kills every time. I still have a 2.3 k/d because regardless of what my k/s says I get between 3-7 kills on average every sortie and mostly fly in furballs so my k/t is around 10. Its all about the places and planes you choose and how you want to play  game. I could fly a p51 never die but what is the challenge in that? Too me that is boring. You should only use score to base your own performance and what you expect to achieve while flying + enjoyment of the game for you. If you haven't been playing for more than 5 years you shouldnt judge pilots based on their scores because u don't know yet what to look for when judging a pilots true skill level.

Edit: places and planes

[BluBerry]

Challenge aside Gman, my point here was that score does not reflect skill.

Zoney may have an incredible K/D and mine might suck… but could Zoney beat me 1 v 1? You could compare whatever stats you want but it will never reflect skill level.

Sorry for using you as an example Zoney, your names just been in this thread a lot  

[Gman]

I edited it after I went and looked up your stats - you should consider that an ego booster btw, I didn't want to make it TOO easy.

Yes, everybody can boost his K/D by employing a few "techniques", at the expense of other stats, most notably k/h

This is essentially the entire basis of what I've blathered on about in a single sentence.  Lusche is far more direct that I can ever be.

And yes, I missed that entire post you wrote Blu with the K/T quote, I was writing while you posted that one I think, and was just responding to your "if you want to have a great K/D of 10+ its not that hard" where you didn't mention it.

Seriously though, give it a whirl with even just one of those stats, K/D or K/T, and do it any way you like save shooting a dummy account/willing participant/etc.  Getting double digits in either is incredibly hard, and getting it in both is..well..there's a reason only a handful can do it consistently.

edit - We're having a typing duel, let me guess, you type around 60+ or faster too right?

[BluBerry]

I missed that entire post you wrote Blu with the K/T quote, I was writing while you posted that one I think, and was just responding to your "if you want to have a great K/D of 10+ its not that hard" where you didn't mention it.

ah gotcha. 

[Lusche]

Zoney may have an incredible K/D and mine might suck… bout could Zoney beat me 1 v 1? You could compare whatever stats you want but it will never reflect skill level.

IMHO "skill" is sometimes used in a too narrow way. K/D in the MA is affected by a much larger subset of skills than the ones being used in a 1v1 duel. There are many great aerobatic aces which are way more capable than me to fly "their" ride at the extreme edge of performance, having perfected that in thousands of duels. They absolutely would clobber me in a claassic 1v1 duel. But in the MA they suffer from lack of other skills, most notably battle awareness.

[BluBerry]

IMHO "skill" is sometimes used in a too narrow way. K/D in the MA is affected by a much larger subset of skills than the ones being used in a 1v1 duel. There are many great aerobatic aces which are way more capable than me to fly "their" ride at the extreme edge of performance, having perfected that in thousands of duels. They absolutely would clobber me in a claassic 1v1 duel. But in the MA they suffer from lack of other skills, most notably battle awareness.

So then should MA skill and DA skill be judged as separate things? I do agree that in the DA I have a much harder time then in the MA.

[Stampf]

So then should MA skill and DA skill be judged as separate things? I do agree that in the DA I have a much harder time then in the MA.

Of course they should.  Two different worlds with different goals.

[Gman]

I never said it had anything to do with 1v1, that's an entirely different ball of wax, I'm talking skill and ability relating to the MA - one on one dueling is a completely different matter.  A good example is comparing my MA stats to say..my little buddy Joe A CHeem.  Looking at those, someone not into the game would say I have WAY better stats and must be way better right?  Well, good luck on 1v1 dueling, as I would be lucky to win maybe 2 out of 10, maybe not even that unless he sneezed or something in the middle of a fight.  Again, one on one isn't what I've been talking about, it's a completely different skillset than MA fighting, although parts to transfer back in forth in terms of shooting, ACM, etc etc, again, all IMO.

[Arlo]

Way back in tour 49 I focused on a higher K/D and a 'fly smart' attitude. Granted, there were fewer well-practiced killers .... or maybe more less-practiced rookies .... then. (Remember, I've never claimed to be the best at any part of this game and I never will.)

Here's the stats .... decipher:

[BluBerry]

Of course they should.  Two different worlds with different goals.

but then that would support the argument that skill cannot be measured off of score correct?

Edit: I guess we all, also define skill as different things too, and maybe that's a big part of why I see it different. There is no set parameter for "what is skill"

[Stampf]

but then that would support the argument that skill cannot be measured off of score correct?

No not at all Blu.  Each is relevent to the environment.  My take on AH scores...They offer a general snapshot of how and what a player does with his game time.

[Wiley]

Challenge aside Gman, my point here was that score does not reflect skill.

Zoney may have an incredible K/D and mine might suck… but could Zoney beat me 1 v 1? You could compare whatever stats you want but it will never reflect skill level.

Sorry for using you as an example Zoney, your names just been in this thread a lot  

I'm not saying, "FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!" but I used to wing with him a fair bit, and my response to your question would be 'At what alt?'

Wiley.