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Re: Cougar hunting
« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2014, 12:55:01 PM »
like wolves up here, the north eastern Mt lion/ catamount was exterminated, not hunted for tradition.

They are said to be making a comeback though; there have been to many sightings to say they're all escaped illegal pets.
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Re: Cougar hunting
« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2014, 02:06:13 PM »

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Re: Cougar hunting
« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2014, 02:11:36 PM »
Well as far as being in the country and taking care of the pests in the area the coyotes are getting a bit brave and might need a bit of education, and I'm never beyond busting a crow while out in the yard....and on occasion a bluejay or two as those guys are turds plain and simple. (few years ago a group of em came in the yard ran off a couple doves living in the trees near the house and knocked the nest out of the trees so shame on em) Oh snapping turtles and water turtles also catch hell when I'm around. And don't even let me see a snake in the yard or armadillo digging holes.
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Re: Cougar hunting
« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2014, 02:13:59 PM »
Well as far as being in the country and taking care of the pests in the area the coyotes are getting a bit brave and might need a bit of education, and I'm never beyond busting a crow while out in the yard....and on occasion a bluejay or two as those guys are turds plain and simple. (few years ago a group of em came in the yard ran off a couple doves living in the trees near the house and knocked the nest out of the trees so shame on em) Oh snapping turtles and water turtles also catch hell when I'm around. And don't even let me see a snake in the yard or armadillo digging holes.
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Re: Cougar hunting
« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2014, 02:15:53 PM »
nope don't hunt rabbits. But I do hunt ducks.
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Re: Cougar hunting
« Reply #20 on: February 26, 2014, 03:58:55 PM »
nope don't hunt rabbits. But I do hunt ducks.

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Re: Cougar hunting
« Reply #21 on: February 26, 2014, 05:30:49 PM »
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A healthy discussion! WTG.

I understand the occasional need to remove a dangerous animal, and sometimes relocation is just not an option. The rancher that asked me to shoot the mtn lion did so because he had prints up to his back door; many occasions. He is only capable with one arm/hand as his other can only be used as a rifle rest, he said that he had missed shots on the lion, yet it still came around. His children liked to play between the home and the stalls/areas for their horses, and he was really concerned that they would attack his kids. Not only that, but that if one lion wasn't deterred there might be more willing to try their chances around his home.  

Boo: I suppose the physical demand/exercise part of it could be as much as other hunts. To me though, it's the hunt part of it that I was disagreeing with as being difficult. It would seem to me that once the dogs are on a good scent, it's as much as over for the cat. I've never done it though, so I'm sure there are aspects I'm not aware of.  
 To me the hunt is tracking, locating an area where the animal is and utilizing some tactic that gives the hunter a chance to get a shot. I'm not big on ambush tactic as a way to provide meat, although if I were dependent on hunting for food that would be quite different.

Again, not denigrating anyone's choice/style of hunting, just not sure all of it is "hunting" in my book. I do a fair amount of offshore fishing for tuna, dorado, and yellowtail in the summer, and you always know what kind of a Captain you're with when they stay on the little ones trying to up their counts vs. those that say "we're not here just to kill fish, we've got enough here, and we're leaving to go find fish that aren't juveniles." Sustainability in offshore fishing is a much bigger topic and is not nearly as simple as one state's dept of G&F managing their herds within known boundaries. *Not that game management is merely simple...
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« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2014, 05:40:01 PM »
What's hard?

Training the dog. I am an avid coon hunter, matter of fact that is about all I hunt any more. Training your hound to not only find the scent, but also to recall at one command from as far as a mile away from you is not an easy task. Not to mention training them to follow the scent even if the target animal crossed water. The scent gets lost in the water and is not traceable for a minimum of 25 feet on the other side of the water. So, your hound has to cross the creek/river/pond and then find the scent on the other side. If you buy a puppy and can train them all of this in 2 years, you have accomplished one hell of a feat.

Of course, you can just buy a mature hound for $2,000 that is already trained.
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Re: Cougar hunting
« Reply #23 on: February 26, 2014, 05:49:30 PM »
yeah thats a spooky feeling, I was followed for about a half mile through some dark timber, I veered out to go watch a meadow and he veered off and watched ME from a higher spot.  I headed back to camp and found his tracks in mine, so I followed them is how I know this lol.  Yeah I dont really see the fun or whatever out of shooting a big cat, same with coyote shooting although to each their own I gues  :D

Very spooky indeed. The only time I was more scared on any hunt was when I fell through the ice on a beaver pond. It was about 15degs, 6" -8" fresh snow, I was 2miles from the truck and prayed the whole way the truck would start, it did. On the way back I ditched my pack, and my soaked Sorels, walked briskly in just my socks. Never again will I take a shortcut to get home in dark that wasn't entirely planned/thought out. The ice was solid in most places, and I tested my steps prior to taking them across this area of flooded brush, but fell through a weak spot. 2 hours before I stopped shivering. I can't say enough for wool coats!
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Re: Cougar hunting
« Reply #24 on: February 26, 2014, 06:33:45 PM »
What's hard?

Training the dog. I am an avid coon hunter, matter of fact that is about all I hunt any more. Training your hound to not only find the scent, but also to recall at one command from as far as a mile away from you is not an easy task. Not to mention training them to follow the scent even if the target animal crossed water. The scent gets lost in the water and is not traceable for a minimum of 25 feet on the other side of the water. So, your hound has to cross the creek/river/pond and then find the scent on the other side. If you buy a puppy and can train them all of this in 2 years, you have accomplished one hell of a feat.

Of course, you can just buy a mature hound for $2,000 that is already trained.

Yes if you have never trained hunting dogs you couldnt imagine the effort, money, time, love, and sweat poured into training up a lion hunting pack. While Ive never chased lion with dogs Ive hunted with outfitters who do and the love and care they have for their dogs is astounding. Many a fine Lion dog line no doubt dies out with these idiot laws against fair chase hound hunting and thats really sad. Ive only trained bird dogs but I know and have felt the connection between hunter and his dogs and it means far more then the kill. Boy schlepping around those mountains looking for Elk or bear is hard enough I can only imagine what having to run after a Lion pack for hours hoping to tree it must be.

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Re: Cougar hunting
« Reply #26 on: February 26, 2014, 08:30:07 PM »
I've never heard of a hunter being attacked by a lion though every years dozens of dogs will be killed while tracking and attempting to tree lions. Lions, like everything else, have personalities. All lions run, some pee, some try to be clever, some will turn on the dogs and hunt them.

In any case, it is not easy work. And maintaining a balanced population, taking into considering deer, elk, sheep, cows, etc.
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Re: Cougar hunting
« Reply #27 on: February 26, 2014, 08:32:14 PM »
Here is a typical hunt in rimrock country.

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Re: Cougar hunting
« Reply #28 on: February 26, 2014, 09:21:23 PM »
I dont really agree with hunting them with dogs, but then again I used dogs to hunt coons before, so I guess its a double standard, so with that being said, I have to go back against my words.  I can say coon hunting with dogs is still tough.  I guess I still dont see the point, as long as its being eaten I guess.  I have heard that mtn lion is pretty good eating too :aok  the ones I absolutely hate, are the ones I have seen on tv, they had some kind of prize sheep that was basically hand raised, released into a 1/2 acre pen, the guy goes over to it and shoots the poor thing in the hind end about 8 times with a bow, because he "didnt want to ruin his trophy mount"  the whole "hunt was on video and I saw this on Montell a few years back.  there was mtn lions that had claws removed, wolves, bears, was just disgusting on how anyone could thing that this was "hunting"  I actually teared up a bit watching it as they all suffered WAY beyond any critter should ever suffer, and I even hunt.  I cant stand just pure trophy hunting.  I had a teacher that went to africa several years and got all kinds of trophies, and it kind of irritated me when he was telling me about all the animals he shot and had mounted, but it eased my mind when he told me all the meat goes to the local tribes for food and whatnot. 

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« Reply #29 on: February 26, 2014, 09:47:18 PM »
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I had a teacher that went to africa several years and got all kinds of trophies, and it kind of irritated me when he was telling me about all the animals he shot and had mounted, but it eased my mind when he told me all the meat goes to the local tribes for food and whatnot.  [/quote<groan> For every one animal taken by hunters in Africa, and Ive been there 3 times, there are probably 10 killed or just plain tortured by poachers from the local "tribe" using snares to sell the meat and horns to buy drugs and booze, or maybe just potatos.

Im glad you mind is "eased" but perhaps you should learn something about African wild life before even using it. Were it not for sport hunters there wouldnt be anything left in Africa. No wild life, no habitat. No jobs associated with it.
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