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Offline zack1234

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Re: This will end badly
« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2014, 02:53:21 AM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_war_crimes

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Re: This will end badly
« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2014, 03:08:12 AM »
There is also a level of hypocrisy surrounding the almost universal decrying of the Tokkō Tai units and their actions. Flying in combat for Japan at that late stage in the war meant almost certain death even in regular units, and some of the allies' most decorated war heroes sacrificed their lives in actions that meant certain death, like throwing themselves on hand grenades or charging enemy fortifications alone. Given Japan's war situation, their actions were understandable and pragmatic; thousands of Japanese lives were being lost on a daily basis, and a lot of them were not even in uniform. If a handful of dedicated pilots could sink or cripple an enemy carrier by sacrificing their own lives it could save thousands of Japanese lives later on.

I think your critically confusing something here, the act of throwing yourself on a handgrenade in and of itself is suicide (valor), but it was to save lives of those around you, not to take them.  
The act of flying a plane into an enemy carrier was not the act of saving lives (fanatics)but the act of taking them.
Two very differnet motives and justifiable acts.
Just like many of the kamikaze pilots that never made it to their targets stated that they were disappointed in that they were not able to kill Americans, not so much in saving lives of their countrymen.

50 years from today, will we also think that al Qaeda flying planes into buildings or suicide bombers be considered somehow not fanatics as well?

I agree the letters are a glimpse of the mindset of the Japanese towards their ruler at the time and should be used in hopes that history does not repeat itself in a museum for all to see.
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Re: This will end badly
« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2014, 03:34:34 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMs4IJQVRYM

I see this. And I see those letters.

And no, that is not a nuclear weapon that just went off - but an entire ship, that took out several other ships nearby.


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Re: This will end badly
« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2014, 03:56:47 AM »
I think your critically confusing something here, the act of throwing yourself on a handgrenade in and of itself is suicide (valor), but it was to save lives of those around you, not to take them.  
The act of flying a plane into an enemy carrier was not the act of saving lives (fanatics)but the act of taking them.
Two very differnet motives and justifiable acts.
Just like many of the kamikaze pilots that never made it to their targets stated that they were disappointed in that they were not able to kill Americans, not so much in saving lives of their countrymen.

50 years from today, will we also think that al Qaeda flying planes into buildings or suicide bombers be considered somehow not fanatics as well?

I agree the letters are a glimpse of the mindset of the Japanese towards their ruler at the time and should be used in hopes that history does not repeat itself in a museum for all to see.


Al Qaeda was a group of civilians flying civilian aircraft into a civilian target. Kamikaze pilots were military men flying military aircraft while attacking military targets. What may I ask is the difference between dropping bombs on a Carrier and running your plane into it?
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Re: This will end badly
« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2014, 04:48:35 AM »
The Base are not civilians Revo.  :old:
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Re: This will end badly
« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2014, 05:59:53 AM »
What has happened in the UK?!? Why are they all retarded?!  :furious
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Re: This will end badly
« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2014, 06:11:21 AM »
What has happened in the UK?!? Why are they all retarded?!  :furious
I'm here to quote a retarded statement.
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Re: This will end badly
« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2014, 06:19:45 AM »
Al Qaeda was a group of civilians flying civilian aircraft into a civilian target. Kamikaze pilots were military men flying military aircraft while attacking military targets. What may I ask is the difference between dropping bombs on a Carrier and running your plane into it?

My reference to Al Qaeda and the kamikaze was how fanatically similar they are, each desperate to kill Americans no matter if they are in uniforms or not, each waging a war they believe in as to be true and effective suicidal tactics.  Civilians they may appear to be, they were in fact militants.
To answer your question IMO is simple, living to do it again.


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Re: This will end badly
« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2014, 06:59:30 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMs4IJQVRYM

I see this. And I see those letters.

And no, that is not a nuclear weapon that just went off - but an entire ship, that took out several other ships nearby.

And I see the comments.  :O
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Re: This will end badly
« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2014, 07:40:28 AM »
it should be included....but i'm not too sure it should go to the un......
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Re: This will end badly
« Reply #25 on: February 27, 2014, 08:31:55 AM »
My reference to Al Qaeda and the kamikaze was how fanatically similar they are, each desperate to kill Americans no matter if they are in uniforms or not...

That's just not factual. The Japanese were not out to just kill Americans, they were trying to stem the tide of American warships bearing down on their nation. Big difference.

This, on the other hand...




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Re: This will end badly
« Reply #26 on: February 27, 2014, 10:28:45 AM »
That's just not factual. The Japanese were not out to just kill Americans, they were trying to stem the tide of American warships bearing down on their nation. Big difference.

This, on the other hand...

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that picture is photoshopped.



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Re: This will end badly
« Reply #27 on: February 27, 2014, 10:35:46 AM »
Which one? There are two pictures.
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Re: This will end badly
« Reply #28 on: February 27, 2014, 11:01:36 AM »
I think the problem is that the Japanese have never fully appreciated the sickening brutality they visited on every country they invaded or fought not least China. I'm not sure if they even now appreciate exactly what was done in the name of the Emperor. Their attempt to give those letters UN heritage status smacks of incredible naivety and just confirms in my mind how insular they still are. Sure the letters are history but they're nothing to be proud of. The only use those letters would to be is to serve as a warning to future and current generations about the risks of excessive patriotism and nationalism.

That would be useful as judging by the way things are going now in many countries. This lesson is quickly being forgotten just as the last of the WW2 generation who protected our freedoms are dying out.

We really don't need a WW3 to finally get the message across.

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Re: This will end badly
« Reply #29 on: February 27, 2014, 11:14:20 AM »
Which one? There are two pictures.

oops on my table it looked like one single picture. sorry.


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