109 out turning a spit

[RichardDarkwood]

 I just watched a video on this.

Skip Holm says a Bf-109 - f model will out turn a spit.

Keep in mind skip fly's both aircraft

Your thoughts

[Rogue9Volt]

Video link?

[RichardDarkwood]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFl8X4y9-94&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[JOACH1M]

The 109f out turns spit8 and even the mighty 16.

109F under the right hands can easily down a spitfire.

[hotcoffe]

The 109f out turns spit8 and even the mighty 16.

109F under the right hands can easily down a spitfire.

I have been flying 109f for about 2months now and at the beginning it was lil bit diff. get used to but once you get the grab of it and watch enough latrobe movies you ll see that what Joachim said above is 120% true.

[Hoplite]

The 109f out turns spit8 and even the mighty 16.

109F under the right hands can easily down a spitfire.

Agreed.  109F is a nasty little bugger but in my experience only the very good pilots know and use it with any regularity.  When I see a K4 in the LWMA I don't give it much thought other than keeping an eye on it i.e. so many fly the K4 you really won't know how good the person is until you observe them for a bit or during the first pass / merge.  On the other hand, when I see a 109F I pay a bit more attention....almost always the pilot is above average (if not great) in the ACM / skill department.

[FLS]

They're talking about the 109G in the video and the first guy says that some Spitfires turn better and some don't. Skip Holm says The Spit9 out turns the 109G.

[nrshida]

Yup that video sure was packed with objective factual material 

[MrRiplEy[H]]

'Wath Latrobe videos' sounds to me like pr0n

[Latrobe]

He's right. A 109 will out turn and out climb a P51. Sorry higheye, it's the truth  .

Spit vs 109 IS very very close, and he's right about a Spit 5 might out turn a 109G, but not a 109F. Of course the Spit 5 and 109F are very closely matched so it's not going to be a cake walk for the 109F like when it fights against any other spit. The only model the 109F can't out turn is the Spit 1, but it doesn't need to since it out performs the Spit 1 in all other categories. 

109F is just simply the greatest dogfighter! It can out turn most other planes and the ones it can't out turn, it can out perform. 

[RichardDarkwood]

Well said

[BnZs]

According to Mosq's turn data, with no flaps the SpitVIII has a somewhat smaller radius and a nearly 4 degree per second turn rate advantage, at 24.2 to 20.4.
With flaps out for both, the 109F takes the lead in turn radius and the rate becomes a virtual wash at around 20 degrees.
The Spit pilot should probably leave his flaps up in most circumstances.

[FLOOB]

If the 109f is willing to go full flaps it can out turn some of the spitfires. Even full flaps it doesn't out turn spitV.

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[Hoplite]

He's right. A 109 will out turn and out climb a P51. Sorry higheye, it's the truth  .

Spit vs 109 IS very very close, and he's right about a Spit 5 might out turn a 109G, but not a 109F. Of course the Spit 5 and 109F are very closely matched so it's not going to be a cake walk for the 109F like when it fights against any other spit. The only model the 109F can't out turn is the Spit 1, but it doesn't need to since it out performs the Spit 1 in all other categories. 

109F is just simply the greatest dogfighter! It can out turn most other planes and the ones it can't out turn, it can out perform. 

It's only weaknesses are sub par firepower and average speed at most alts.  The former limits those with average aim, the latter limits its usefulness if the opponent wont turn / play the 109F's game and is faster.  It's still a fun plane tho'...

[XxDaSTaRxx]

The reason it will is because the 109F is a beast.

Oops.... 

Was I not supposed to talk about it Latrobe?