Lancaster Divebombers

[SmokinLoon]

All I see in the MA are Lancasters 'diving' at 25° and everybody scream "Stuka" 

I have yet to witness sucessfull and efficient 70° formation dive bombing runs in a heavy bomber formation in the MA. Which is odd as I'm told they are occuring all the time

I think most are complaining about the gross abuse of a bomb truck.  The Lancaster carpet bombing a gv spawn point, or other such rally point, at 800-150 ft, using 1000 lb bombs does get to be a bit much. I've not ever seen a true "dive bombing" Lancaster bomber. 

I have however seen a Ju88 "dive bombing" at 45°+ angles.   

[FLOOB]

I've not ever seen a true "dive bombing" Lancaster bomber. 

I have seen it thats what prompted me to post this. I dont have a problem with the level bombing of spawn points. But the dive bomb just makes aces high look stupid.

[FLOOB]

All I see in the MA are Lancasters 'diving' at 25° and everybody scream "Stuka" 

I have yet to witness sucessfull and efficient 70° formation dive bombing runs in a heavy bomber formation in the MA. Which is odd as I'm told they are occuring all the time

As i said the guy dive bombing lost his drones when he dove, i dont know why he bothered bringing them.

[bustr]

You need to find the vertical dive test data from Avro for the maximum speed achieved by the Lancaster without shedding the wings.

Those tests usually happened from 25-30k to allow time to pull out. I will bet HTC has a copy. Which means offline you can climb to 25k, point strait down and I think it's between 400 and 450 that you can still pull out by. Keep track of the max G during the pullout. That will be your limit at lower alts dive bombing. Same test can be performed with the other 4 engine bombers. But, then most of the dive bombing I've witnessed hasn't been more than 60 degrees for short dives.

I have faith in Hitech that he includes the maximum G load limits of his airframes in the game. I suspect no one has reached them often with airplanes constructed to carry massive amounts of weight, so are constructed accordingly. We see whines all the time when fighter jockeys find the maximum G load for their airframe.

[Oldman731]

I know the B-17 and B-24 have limits on pitch angles for bomb release -- has to do with the bombs clearing structure as they leave the bomb bay.  Model those restrictions….if exceeding the limit pitch angles then bombs don't drop.

Colmbo, would you be able to find these numbers?

- oldman

[colmbo]

Colmbo, would you be able to find these numbers?

- oldman

I've been trying to remember where I that info.   They might have been on a placard in the bomb bay of the aircraft…in which case someone else is going to have to check on them since I'm a few thousand miles from the airplanes.

[colmbo]

Found the info for the B-17, it's in the airplane operations manual. 

 The angle for glide or climb is dependent upon which bomb is being dropped AND from which bomb bay station it is dropped from.  Some limits are very low -- just 2 or 3 degrees while others are as high as 50 degrees.  There is a note that states "Angles shown allow 10 degrees for safety. However, under perfectly smooth flying conditions, if in the airplane commander's opinion conditions warrant it, these give angles may be exceeded by not more than 5 degrees.

I will try and scan the page and post an image of it in the morning.

[lyric1]

Lanc hand book.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/42679113/1945-Pilot-s-and-Flight-Engineer-s-Notes-Lancaster-Mark-I-Mark-VII-Mark-III-Mark-X

[Karnak]

Found the info for the B-17, it's in the airplane operations manual. 

 The angle for glide or climb is dependent upon which bomb is being dropped AND from which bomb bay station it is dropped from.  Some limits are very low -- just 2 or 3 degrees while others are as high as 50 degrees.  There is a note that states "Angles shown allow 10 degrees for safety. However, under perfectly smooth flying conditions, if in the airplane commander's opinion conditions warrant it, these give angles may be exceeded by not more than 5 degrees.

I will try and scan the page and post an image of it in the morning.

Lancaster's bay is long and shallow.  That would larely eliminate the problems the short and deep bay on the B-17 caused for the bombs mounted higher up.

[colmbo]

Very true Karnak.


Here's the B-17 angles and bomb bay stations scans:

[lyric1]

Lancaster's bay is long and shallow.  That would larely eliminate the problems the short and deep bay on the B-17 caused for the bombs mounted higher up.

Page 15 of Scribd link. Page 29 of actual book.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/42679113/1945-Pilot-s-and-Flight-Engineer-s-Notes-Lancaster-Mark-I-Mark-VII-Mark-III-Mark-X

"Bomb Clearances angles."

Dive 30 deg.
Climb 20 deg.
Bank 10 deg..........(With S.B.C.25 deg.).

[kvuo75]

and also remember most people in the game cannot judge angles correctly. 15-20 degrees = 45-60 to them.. shallow glide = dive bomber

[Tinkles]

and also remember most people in the game cannot judge angles correctly. 15-20 degrees = 45-60 to them.. shallow glide = dive bomber

Sadly this is true.

I have though seen a lanc dive at 30+ degrees, he however was going too fast and yanked the stick too hard.. ripped his wings off, and collided with my wirble 

[kvuo75]

ooopz

[RedBull1]

Can we please get the Dolby thread hijack back underway?


Thank you.