The decline of ACM in the MA. (flim)

[Brooke]

I don't think it's bad unless a real plane couldn't do it.  Some guys in WWII did put their planes into intentional spins, do snap rolls, jink around unpredicatably, push negative g's with crossed controls, and so forth for evasives.  For me, it's hard to know where the boundary of possible vs. impossible sits in this regard.

[RotBaron]

u forgot to mention the spit pilot that reverses on you, doesnt lose any speed, actually gains in his turn, that will after he makes a mistake flop over plummeting 3k below you, pull out smoothly and have retained all the previous e just 3k alt lower, rinse repeat all the way to his ack...

[FLOOB]

"I'm going to complain about how bad the game is for giving me easy kills."

Yeah, that totally makes sense.

There are players who would rather die in a quality fight than get a wortless kill. Your statement betrays your point of view on the matter.

[FLOOB]

I don't think it's bad unless a real plane couldn't do it.  Some guys in WWII did put their planes into intentional spins, do snap rolls, jink around unpredicatably, push negative g's with crossed controls, and so forth for evasives.  For me, it's hard to know where the boundary of possible vs. impossible sits in this regard.

When players cast aside dignity and behave like flailing remtards chimping out in a poo fight I deem the boundry crossed.

[Brooke]

When players cast aside dignity and behave like flailing remtards chimping out in a poo fight I deem the boundry crossed.

One man's poo fight is another man's Swan Lake! 

[Nimrod45]

FLOOB, what plane were you flying?

[FLOOB]

FLOOB, what plane were you flying?

It is steel. It is doom. It is folgore.

[Randy1]

Ran into 2 more mustangs doing the flip flop thing.  Might have been the same guy.  One I killed easily but the other avoided my shots until I emptied the full load P47 on him and I was 200 back for several minutes.  On the deck the whole time.  No ACMs at all just flopping around.  That's why he could not run.  I wish I would have recorded that one.  It was bizarre.

Not sure but the mustang may have had a long ping time that would have made updates on my PC slow.  Might be this only works if you the flopper has long ping times.

[Arlo]

There are players who would rather die in a quality fight than get a wortless kill. Your statement betrays your point of view on the matter.

I missed you getting a worthless kill in that flim. I appreciate you not moving your stick at all when I collected your C202 scalp one night (afk or otherwise). I will never consider you worthless.

[Traveler]

Looks like you the OP had the advantage and your target was low and slow or had just taken out his target but was still slow .    It also looks like your failed to kill them in that first pass where you had all the advantage that good ACM provides.  Had they flown with wingmen, perhaps you might not have faired so well.

[Hoplite]

Please go here:

http://www.1jg51.net/jg51/LwTactics.html

About half way down, look for the following:

"ERICH HARTMANN'S "LAST DITCH" EVASION MANEUVER"

Please read the description.  

Not something I do all the time...more of a "Oh-$__7-my-SA-has-failed-me-gotta-do-something-attempt-to-reset-the-fight"..thus the "LAST DITCH" part.  

It's not dignified, and in many cases only delays the inevitable as you rightly point out, but it is a valid evasion tactic.

Just sayin'.

 

[glzsqd]

in my experience, the last ditch effort flip flop maneuvers are the first moves a new player recognizes as "ACM". For instance, the first thing I was taught after a couple of months playing this game was the snap roll, which I would then do every time I had someone on my 6. Eventually I realized it wasn't the magic move that would let me win every fight, but it can be advertised like that.

Its kind of easy to get away with not knowing how to handle yourself in a fight when you can fly planes that have the performance to compensate. Getting out of the f4u-1a, 190D and putting myself into under powered rides like the birdcage corsair forced me to have to fight my way out of engagements rather than just extend away when I got in over my head.

The funny thing to me is, I would be using barrel rolls and trying to force Scissors fights with out having any idea what they were.

[Karnak]

u forgot to mention the spit pilot that reverses on you, doesnt lose any speed, actually gains in his turn,

Film or it didn't happen.

(Yeah, I know there won't be any film.  How do I know?  Because this accusation has been tossed at whichever plane the poster doesn't like since I've been here and not once has any film ever been made that supports the claim.)

[BnZs]

Film or it didn't happen.

(Yeah, I know there won't be any film.  How do I know?  Because this accusation has been tossed at whichever plane the poster doesn't like since I've been here and not once has any film ever been made that supports the claim.)

Hyperbolic types on this forum make anyone with real concerns about FM look bad by association.

[LCADolby]

I saw sawzaw do such moves as in the film, I laughed so hard I augered.