The decline of ACM in the MA. (flim)

[bustr]

If you are going to flay the shades of hip and hep. First define who are the swingers and hot commodities. Then fill the box with who's square. Or is we talkin hepwhales versus hepcats or whalesters versus hipsters?

[FLOOB]

It is better to die with dignity than to live on as a flailing ape throwing poo.

[guncrasher]

It is better to die with dignity than to live on as a flailing ape throwing poo.

the dead only know one thing, it is better to be alive.


semp

[Bear76]

"the dead only know one thing, it is better to be alive."


semp

Always use quotes. Nice FMJ reference.

[Vraciu]

Meh the old time wheels whos opinion I respect have already agreed with me. Even bustr, but he had to get a barb in because i hurt his feelings the other day so thats ok. The only slobber donkeys griefing me now are established ultra melons and ones that have a beef with me personally from the past and Skyyr who is apperantly a rauml protoge.

I hate posting from phone

I would like to be a protégé either/both of them, frankly.  They kill everything and seem to study the art of ACM vs. spout about "real ACM" on the internet...

"Why don't you use REAL ACM?" is the cry of someone who got whacked, IMHO.  I see it all the time on 200.

[Arlo]

Detune 200. Don't worry about how the other guy flies unless they requested training from you. Don't come here and whine about it. 

[Vraciu]

Detune 200. Don't worry about how the other guy flies unless they requested training from you. Don't come here and whine about it. 

I was ignoring you but clicked any way.

Not saying they whine that way about me.  About others I know, yes.   I am not in that league yet.  Just correcting the record as I don't want anyone to think I am talking about myself....

[FLOOB]

Ok youre on record stating you would rather be like skyyr and rauml. Noted.

[Arlo]

[Vraciu]

Ok youre on record stating you would rather be like skyyr and rauml. Noted.

Yep. Killers.  Guys who know how to fight smart.  Guys who understand ACM.  Energy.  Situational Awareness.  Guys who can fight against six alone and come out with five or six scalps and RTB.  HELL YES. Count me in.

[BnZs]

Yep. Killers.  Guys who know how to fight smart.  Guys who understand ACM.  Energy.  Situational Awareness.  Guys who can fight against six alone and come out with five or six scalps and RTB.  HELL YES. Count me in.

Skyyr is a diligent E fighter and quite good. Ruaml is a living aimbot apparently, probably the best vulcher in the game, but unimpressive when it is you on his six.

[PJ_Godzilla]

Yes, there is much to recommend Skyyr, who is both good at the blackboard and in the sim. Unfortunately, I've been on the receiving end of his fire twice now. The first time, I was doomed. I was rtb'ing almost on fumes. He was high in a 190.  The second time was more of a challenge for him but ended the same way. As for the blackboard, I use his logic regarding going vertical after the merge all the time now and it works. He counselled, post head-to-head merge, that you pull vertical sooner rather than later since, if the bird you passed reverses, the immediate zoom presents him a more difficult nose up angle if he wants a shot. Generally, because I tend to engage cautiously, my zoom actually takes me out of their plane of turn or possible nose-up angle and leaves me with a nice advantage. It is then possible for me to roll to put my canopy top towards the target and flop back over for another shot. At least that's how it works against a turny bird.

[DmonSlyr]

Hey, nice thread. It'll serve as cautionary for a while, probably. It underscores perfectly the danger of complaining about the "state of the game" while sporting a surplus of anachronistic facial hair. Now, I have no dog in this fight, but my gut reaction to the film was that the maneuvers shown looked desperate. I always figure that, by the time the foe is 600 of my 6, my mistake has been both made and compounded. At that point, I'm looking for 2 things: help and a violent break. Generally, down low like that, I'll try to use a roll that I try to time such that I can get out of phase with the trailer. This has the added benefit of limiting the e drain. That said, I've probably done any number of totally stupid things while trying to evade an attacker, in part due to panic. Consider the loop. There have been many occasions in which I was locked in a loop with an opponent I KNEW to have less E at the start - and whom I was probably gaining angle on ( I use the g-14, mostly, a very good machine in the vertical) - yet disengaged after a simple 360 out of panic. I was once dead stick and saw an experienced member of this bbs bore down on me in his 190d-9. I waited for the ringing of gunfire in the headset but instead got paid off with a single explosion. He augered. Whoops.

Funny things happen out there. There's flying and then there's pressure flying.

If this complaint were couched in such a way that it formed a testable hypothesis, we could get lusche to pull some data on it.

Typically, if you get in a looping roll fight, at the start of it, its actually better to be a lil slower. This way you can kind of get inside. Once you both get slow it takes throttle, timing, stall control, and flaps. Of you are going fast you have to make larger and higher rolls. When you have a con 600 off your tail. The best maneuver is a lag roll which uses their speed against them, that can be fatel if the enimies follow you. You're right these guys did do this out of desperation. Its not the right move because it completely kills their E. In a lag roll you still have the ability to maintain E and possibly get a shot. Its a complicated move that takes some practice. Most players do not know how to perform one well so they run or stick to these type of tactics in the vid.

P.S I hope to god Floob preys on my ki84 or 109 in that C2 cause it's gonna get fried and I always enjoy fresh C2 or yak for dinner.

[Hoplite]

OK...I owe FLOOB a slight apology.

Last night I went to help a fellow pilot with a Ki84 who had latched on to his six as he was dealing with another red guy.  As I pulled into range the Ki pilot (who will remain nameless) started stick stirring and negative G moves which simply can't happen in "real life".  Add in his "moves" (for lack of a better term) caused him to warp about 25 yards left and right for several seconds.  Needless to say I missed my initial shot and overshot.  So yes, I can see where this can be annoying (and a bit embarrassing ) ....and agree what the Ki was doing was in no way "ACM" as I would define it.

That. Being. Said.

I simply went vert as I overshot, barrel rolled, and was back on the nameless stick stirring fool's six in less than a few seconds.  He died of a forced-injestion-of-taters overdose shortly thereafter.  

So what I stated previously concerning how to deal with these guys still holds true.  



P.S.  Thanks again to the pilot I helped for coming around and clearing an LA who had latched on to me.  Much appreciated....and a testament to how the game should be played.  

[PJ_Godzilla]

Typically, if you get in a looping roll fight, at the start of it, its actually better to be a lil slower. This way you can kind of get inside. Once you both get slow it takes throttle, timing, stall control, and flaps. Of you are going fast you have to make larger and higher rolls. When you have a con 600 off your tail. The best maneuver is a lag roll which uses their speed against them, that can be fatel if the enimies follow you. You're right these guys did do this out of desperation. Its not the right move because it completely kills their E. In a lag roll you still have the ability to maintain E and possibly get a shot. Its a complicated move that takes some practice. Most players do not know how to perform one well so they run or stick to these type of tactics in the vid.

P.S I hope to god Floob preys on my ki84 or 109 in that C2 cause it's gonna get fried and I always enjoy fresh C2 or yak for dinner.

I could see slower being much better for getting the angle. However, doesn't it kind of up the ante? I mean: it sounds kind of "fangs out" - either I get the kill then and there or the other guy is going to have a shot his next time around...