tank main gun shooting planes down.

[Groth]

 I've tried to postulate a median, a middle ground in discussion at hand.
               JGroth

[Groth]

 I would 'imagine' aircraft would like to cripple a tank by killing commander...?
 JGroth

[Megalodon]

I would 'imagine' aircraft would like to cripple a tank by killing commander...?
 JGroth

Well according to you another guy will just pop up in his place?



Pardon my sarcasm,

[WWhiskey]

Cool we'll have the bombardier or co-pilot to fly the plane home when the pilot dies then?

apples to oranges,,, in a GV the driver is not the commander or the gunner and in many cases a driver might survive were a commander and or gunners don't ,, to be more accurate you could say a tank that has no guns left is basically been driven home by the driver, not the commander, the fact that he drives it from the commanders position is not relevant     A plane, bombers,can be flown from the gunners position and in F-3 now when the pilot is wounded and blacking out,, not very well mind you, but I've landed them before from the gunners view while the pilot was blacked out,,  not realistic at all mind you but still possible in game .     Adapt, overcome, live to fight another day!

[nrshida]

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[Groth]

 Nice Whiskey...still like my solution...gunner/driver can't 'unbutton'....if commander dead...can't 'climb in' commander position.

                        JGroth

[Mister Fork]

Next thing you know you'll want fire    "we cant hit them because the mechanics of our tank won't let us ....So lets burn the witches in their planes" 

[Lusche]

Reading this and having shot my share of planes out of the sky with a tank has me curious who the games most prolific tank to air shooters are...... Lusche??   Would that be difficult o master statistician?

We can't find that out.

[Groth]

 Again..I think my postulation is good...might be too hard to do..might be hard to find that Tiger 1 firing from heights on your base..up even fighter he would cause 'Commander' to button-up or die...or if planes with Heavy Cannons were up and opposing he would have to decide to button-up or die trying to main-gun shoot plane...
 Thoughts?
                JGroth

[bustr]

Some "Utility" testing for one pass, or one shot kills on tanks inside of 200 to the side of the tank.

B-25H - All tanks until the T-34 76\85, Panther and Tigers. Fly at the tank 90 degree to it's side 100ft or lower. Shoot inside of -200 into the tank's side under the track skirt. One round kill. T34's and Panther took up to 6 passes. Gave up on the Tigers at 6.

Me410 - Mk103 questionable effect against undamaged tanks. BK 5 could damage tanks from T-34 76 down with high angle to engine hatch. Pull out was 70\30 a death dive or stall because effective range for breaking the hatch inside of 300. Questionable as a tank killer unless the tank is already damaged.

IL2 - Pulled convergence down from 650 to 275. T-34's required 4-5 guns passes shooting at -200 under the track skirt to kill them. Panther and TigerI, cracking the engine hatch is a better strategy. Panther is weak in the rear armor. TigerII bring Lancasters.

Ju87-G2 - All shots taken sub 100. T34's one tap at 30 degree into upper side armor, one shot kill. Panther and Tigers two passes single tap into the side. Panzers and M4 1 tap into the side.

Even tested rockets. The poor accuracy makes rockets only marginally effective. Since they shoot straight out from the wing, you need to aim favoring a wing. Or salvoing all rockets while favoring one wing over the other wing, you might hit the tank. Bombs are superior, while 3 Lancasters laying a carpet are awesome.

With the current commander mode, might as well use Lancasters and carpet bomb tanks. The commander cannot get all three Lancaster generally.

[Lusche]

With the current commander mode, might as well use Lancasters and carpet bomb tanks. The commander cannot get all three Lancaster generally.

If you fly a tank buster with a bit of brains, the commander won't get you either. You are constantly presenting tank busters in AH almost as useless and easy to kill by the tank... which they aren't at all.

Of course they need more skill and patience than just lobbing a big bomb at a tank... but that's not entirely unlike RL either.

[FLOOB]

Or just dive bomb them in a lanc.

[Ack-Ack]

B-25H - All tanks until the T-34 76\85, Panther and Tigers. Fly at the tank 90 degree to it's side 100ft or lower. Shoot inside of -200 into the tank's side under the track skirt. One round kill. T34's and Panther took up to 6 passes. Gave up on the Tigers at 6.

For the T-34, Tiger, Tiger II and Panther tanks you need to aim at the top of the engine compartment, ideally where the turret ring is but usually on top of the engine compartment is enough to get a kill in a single shot with the B-25H.

ack-ack

[chaser]

Re: "buttoned up"

when you are not in the commander's position, i.e. you're looking through the gunsite..... the commander's position is buttoned up. Every GV in this game can be driven from that position if aircraft are in the area.

maybe it's just me, but if I can be insta-towered by a single shot pilot kill in an aircraft, the same should apply to GVs. If you are driving from the commander's position and you take a .50 cal to the head, it should be insta-tower, not just loss of that crew position.

Negative. There's several other guys still in the tank unlike a fighter. Loss of commander sending you to the tower would be like getting sent to the tower for losing a gunner in a bomber. Your logic is very flawed.

[Tilt]

If the commander is lost and replaced by crew would not reload time suffer?