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Offline Rich46yo

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What aircraft??
« on: April 11, 2014, 02:22:30 PM »
Going in another direction from the mass production thread let me ask ; What aircraft that had the biggest impact in the war do we still NOT have in AH?

Off the top of my Head I'd say the Beau but I havnt studied it.
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Offline Karnak

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Re: What aircraft??
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2014, 02:37:11 PM »
Pe-2, Wellington or Beaufighter.

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Or PBY-5
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Offline SirNuke

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Re: What aircraft??
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2014, 02:56:50 PM »
Yak -1 ?

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Re: What aircraft??
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2014, 02:59:32 PM »
Worthy to be in AH?  As in able to be used to some degree of effectiveness?   Easy.

Take your pick between the Wellington or Pe-2.  I vote for the Wellington.   :aok

Sooner or later the Pe-2 should get the mod.
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Offline Xavier

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Re: What aircraft??
« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2014, 05:17:21 PM »
Pe-2, Fw-200.
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Re: What aircraft??
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2014, 05:25:37 PM »
Pe-2, Wellington or Beaufighter.

EDIT:

Or PBY-5

I agree with this, but think the Pe-2 will be a hanger Queen like the 111, except for scenarios. It was junk in fighter ace. No thanks.
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Offline Karnak

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Re: What aircraft??
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2014, 05:40:12 PM »
Pe-2, Fw-200.
Fw200 had little impact on the war, even at its peak effectiveness early in the war in the Atlantic.
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Re: What aircraft??
« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2014, 06:03:12 PM »
No direct effect on the war, but a game changer in the game.

P-51A and Mustang Mk.Ia

Faster than B or D below 8k, lighter and more maneuverable. The Mk.Ia has four hispanos...

Historically significant aircraft missing...

F4F-3
P-47D-21. Paddle prop razor back
P-38H P-38G handling with much better performance
High Altitude 109G models
Do 217
Ju 288 (fast medium bomber)
Lagg-3
MiG-3
Yak-1 (Yak-7b is similar in performance)
Fw 190A3
Spitfire LF Mk.V (clipped wings)
He 219
Ju 88C-6 (potent bomber killer
Ki-44



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Re: What aircraft??
« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2014, 07:04:07 PM »
Fw200 had little impact on the war, even at its peak effectiveness early in the war in the Atlantic.

As far as I know, the convoy hunting was the biggest threat the UK faced during the war, as said by Churchill himself. The Condor was widely used to spot those convoys, which would later be hunted down by U-boot wolfpacks. Some argue that the PBY sunk a lot of tonnage, but we can't forget that german u-boots alone sank almost three times the tonnage sunk by all allied countries. And a lot of those ships whent down thanks to airplanes like the Fw-200. It was ultimately replaced by some versions of 88s, 290s and 177s, but it set the first stone. That's why I consider it important.
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Re: What aircraft??
« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2014, 07:26:47 PM »
As far as I know, the convoy hunting was the biggest threat the UK faced during the war, as said by Churchill himself. The Condor was widely used to spot those convoys, which would later be hunted down by U-boot wolfpacks. Some argue that the PBY sunk a lot of tonnage, but we can't forget that german u-boots alone sank almost three times the tonnage sunk by all allied countries. And a lot of those ships whent down thanks to airplanes like the Fw-200. It was ultimately replaced by some versions of 88s, 290s and 177s, but it set the first stone. That's why I consider it important.

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Re: What aircraft??
« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2014, 07:33:59 PM »
Widewing,

I think most of those would be very nice additions to AH, but I can't agree that they were all historically significant.  The He219, for example, accomplished very little.
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Re: What aircraft??
« Reply #11 on: April 11, 2014, 07:42:17 PM »
Ju52 - thousands made and no axis representation.
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Offline Saxman

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Re: What aircraft??
« Reply #12 on: April 11, 2014, 11:27:47 PM »
No direct effect on the war, but a game changer in the game.

P-51A and Mustang Mk.Ia

Faster than B or D below 8k, lighter and more maneuverable. The Mk.Ia has four hispanos...

Historically significant aircraft missing...

F4F-3
P-47D-21. Paddle prop razor back
P-38H P-38G handling with much better performance
High Altitude 109G models
Do 217
Ju 288 (fast medium bomber)
Lagg-3
MiG-3
Yak-1 (Yak-7b is similar in performance)
Fw 190A3
Spitfire LF Mk.V (clipped wings)
He 219
Ju 88C-6 (potent bomber killer
Ki-44





Good list all-around. However you're missing the SB2C. Even if its performance wasn't spectacular, it was still a significant aircraft, seeing as it equipped all Navy dive-bomber squadrons from 1944 through the end of the war. I'd also add the Ki-45 (Japan's primary heavy fighter) to the list.
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Re: What aircraft??
« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2014, 12:56:28 AM »
Ju-52 transport aircraft. Im pretty sure it had a very large effect on the war.
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Offline Rich46yo

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Re: What aircraft??
« Reply #14 on: April 12, 2014, 03:34:04 PM »
As far as I know, the convoy hunting was the biggest threat the UK faced during the war, as said by Churchill himself. The Condor was widely used to spot those convoys, which would later be hunted down by U-boot wolfpacks. Some argue that the PBY sunk a lot of tonnage, but we can't forget that german u-boots alone sank almost three times the tonnage sunk by all allied countries. And a lot of those ships whent down thanks to airplanes like the Fw-200. It was ultimately replaced by some versions of 88s, 290s and 177s, but it set the first stone. That's why I consider it important.

In the first year. Then the maritime strike threat from the Germans tailed off. Partially due to problems with the Condors, partially because they had limited numbers due to Doenitz insisting they be used for recce only. He didnt want to risk airframes on attacks, especially since they were so fragile to begin with. Also its replacement, JU-290, came to little to late. The JU-88 was a good strike platform but had limited range, production problems, and got ate up by Mossies and Beaus. Also I think the JU-88 was wanted in a lot of versions and in a lot of places.

By the time the Allies were able to float escort carriers it was over. The chance to strike allied shipping from the air in a significant manner was virtually impossible.
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