Boot inactive players to keep ENY realistic especially during off-peak hours

[FLOOB]

If someone wants to sit in the tower for hours who are we to tell them not to? Maybe some of us live in countries where liberty isnt respected but that doesnt mean aces high has to be like that.

[Traveler]

If someone wants to sit in the tower for hours who are we to tell them not to? Maybe some of us live in countries where liberty isnt respected but that doesnt mean aces high has to be like that.

Because it hinders the game play of other members.  People that just go to bed and leave their session active and just sit in a tower or sit in an aircraft in a hanger are impacting the ENY and affecting the game play of others.

[Wiley]

What is the logical reason to lobby for someone to sit in the game without touching a control for an hour continuously?

Wiley.

[FLOOB]

Everything anybody does affects the gameplay of others, its supposed to. Just being online affects the eny, therefore "hinders the gameplay of others" regardless of what the player is doing. And if youre against the hindering of gameplay of others why would you be for the booting of players based on their style of gameplay? Getting booted is a dramatically worse hinderence to one's gameplay then any eny changes. This is just another case of "lets do something to make people play the way I think they should".

[FLS]

While I'm not sure of the coding difficulty, I concur that this seems a reasonable approach.

Too easy to game ENY with a tower rule and anytime a horde waited in the tower to take off their ENY would drop.

Because it hinders the game play of other members.  People that just go to bed and leave their session active and just sit in a tower or sit in an aircraft in a hanger are impacting the ENY and affecting the game play of others.

As HiTech pointed out, you are assuming that the high ENY side has a higher percentage of idle players. That's only true sometimes. Other times booting them could make ENY worse. You kick them off all 3 sides and on average ENY stays the same.

[Chilli]

Very good discussion here.  So, I apologize for sticking my nose in but


Does ENY do what it was intended to do, anyhow?   

 I was here before ENY and win the war criteria changed.  Way back then, 2 countries would push on  a weaker side until that side's players decided to log off, to let the other two countries race to be king of the hill.  Change was definitely needed.

ENY as described intends to give players reasons to fly under a mismatched flag.  The problem with that, it does almost the same thing that it was put in place to prevent = players logging off due to the number of forces matched against you.  Instead of folks changing sides to a lower ENY country, they keep their loyalties and fly with their friends until sadly, their friends disappear due to frustration with availability of aircraft. Then there is also, the unpredictable effect on pick up missions.  Change is needed, but the last thing needed is booting players from an arena.

[Traveler]

Too easy to game ENY with a tower rule and anytime a horde waited in the tower to take off their ENY would drop.

As HiTech pointed out, you are assuming that the high ENY side has a higher percentage of idle players. That's only true sometimes. Other times booting them could make ENY worse. You kick them off all 3 sides and on average ENY stays the same.

I'm not making any assumption, I'm asking for a refinement of how the ENY calculation is performed.  That Players that are idle or sitting in the tower for hours on end , not be included in the calculation.

[Drane]

Why don't you all log in a few different days early morning USA Central Standard Time and see for yourselves what is happening. It's not every day but some days are bad. It may open your eyes a bit. Ask the Aussies/New Zealanders too what it's like.

I gave up on playing early morning hours because of eny. Not necessarily because my country's eny was high (it usually isn't), but because eny was upsetting so many people.

[Traveler]

Very good discussion here.  So, I apologize for sticking my nose in but


Does ENY do what it was intended to do, anyhow?   

 I was here before ENY and win the war criteria changed.  Way back then, 2 countries would push on  a weaker side until that side's players decided to log off, to let the other two countries race to be king of the hill.  Change was definitely needed.

ENY as described intends to give players reasons to fly under a mismatched flag.  The problem with that, it does almost the same thing that it was put in place to prevent = players logging off due to the number of forces matched against you.  Instead of folks changing sides to a lower ENY country, they keep their loyalties and fly with their friends until sadly, their friends disappear due to frustration with availability of aircraft. Then there is also, the unpredictable effect on pick up missions.  Change is needed, but the last thing needed is booting players from an arena.

No one is asking playing players to be booted from the arena, what is being asked for is the players that remain logged on even when they are sleeping and not active in the game.  Those players are impacting the ENY of playing players at certain times of day. 

[Arlo]

No one is asking playing players to be booted from the arena, what is being asked for is the players that remain logged on even when they are sleeping and not active in the game.  Those players are impacting the ENY of playing players at certain times of day. 

Gotta ask. How's HT gonna tell the difference between a player sleeping and a player waiting for friends or squadies to show up in the MA?

[Wiley]

Gotta ask. How's HT gonna tell the difference between a player sleeping and a player waiting for friends or squadies to show up in the MA?

When you're waiting for friends or squaddies, do you not play?  Or do you sit and admire the wood paneling in the tower?  I can't think of a single other online game that doesn't boot you for idling off the top of my head.

Wiley.

[guncrasher]

When you're waiting for friends or squaddies, do you not play?  Or do you sit and admire the wood paneling in the tower?  I can't think of a single other online game that doesn't boot you for idling off the top of my head.

Wiley.

wot doesnt kick you out.  i have fallen asleep many times with the game on.  I wake up and still in the garage (same as the tower).  there's times when I play late at night and it takes me 2 or 3 minutes to get into a game, which makes me wonder how many of the 8k players are actually afk.



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[Arlo]

When you're waiting for friends or squaddies, do you not play?  Or do you sit and admire the wood paneling in the tower?  I can't think of a single other online game that doesn't boot you for idling off the top of my head.

Wiley.

You can idle up to an hour in many (sometimes longer with a monthly sub tied to ya). I've shot the (insert endless subjects) with squadies, friends and strangers ... in the tower ... O-club and hangar. Sometimes I don't feel like logging to go drop a log (and sometimes that can take awhile). I may play LSO for the squad for an hour. I'm sure it shows in my stats.  

[Wiley]

wot doesnt kick you out.  i have fallen asleep many times with the game on.  I wake up and still in the garage (same as the tower).

If memory serves, it isn't.  You're not in a match sitting in the garage, you aren't counted as a player on your team sitting in the garage in WoT.  It's the equivalent of the arena selection screen moreso than the tower.

You can idle up to an hour in many (sometimes longer with a monthly sub tied to ya). I've shot the (insert endless subjects) with squadies, friends and strangers ... in the tower ... O-club and hangar. Sometimes I don't feel like logging to go drop a log (and sometimes that can take awhile). I may play LSO for the squad for an hour. I'm sure it shows in my stats. 

But you were on chat.  The game could detect that.  You're not really idle, you're just not in flight.

Wiley.

[Arlo]

But you were on chat.  The game could detect that.  You're not really idle, you're just not in flight.

Can it detect when I go take a dump?