External Views for Fighters in MA

[Hoplite]

Not cool, dude....even in jest.

[diaster]

It would not help in a 1v1... hence my last post..

I'd bet a majority of good 1v1r's would back me on this.. Take 2 even opponents.. force one to fly F3.. they will not be even any longer.. The F3 guy will lose majority.. I'm not saying one couldn't learn to do well in F3 mode.. I'm just saying prolly more that 98% of the crowd I'm referring to wouldn't bother.. In F3 view they would lose all feelings of timing, position, and angles..

Not fly F3 mode solely! I think that you could rig a button for a snap shot view from front to rear... see through the seat back that way, the whole tail for that matter. No need to side slip and waste E. Snapshot when con passes under u, again, retain your E with no aircraft movement. Also trac-ir seems to have a blind spot just aft of straight up, again a possible snapshot for a cure.
I don't bother with it (DA), was just wondering why on more that one occasion, while a vulcher is circling from a nearby base, with no one else around, the DA challenge goes up. I by no means know much about 1v1 in the DA, just curious why even have it at all (in any arena), for fighters in the air. It's there for a reason!!

[diaster]

See Rule #4

[diaster]

I am done with this, it degenerated... peace out. I won't be back

[Hoplite]

See Rule #4

[Ack-Ack]

See Rule #4

[BnZs]

It would not help in a 1v1... hence my last post..

I'd bet a majority of good 1v1r's would back me on this.. Take 2 even opponents.. force one to fly F3.. they will not be even any longer.. The F3 guy will lose majority.. I'm not saying one couldn't learn to do well in F3 mode.. I'm just saying prolly more that 98% of the crowd I'm referring to wouldn't bother.. In F3 view they would lose all feelings of timing, position, and angles..

You or I would, because every trained instinct we have is orientating the fight from inside the cockpit. Someone accustomed to using F3, I am not so sure this is true. Of course, they would be lost themselves as soon as they were forced into a locked cockpit.

I've done the base defense with buff things a bit, and it seems to me like F3 has some potentials that just don't exist in a locked cockpit such as 1. Being able to simply "fly around" where their nose is aiming for gun defense in a manner difficult or impossible from the cockpit. (Difficult one to explain clearly, but a lot of guns defense in the furball lake in fighters certainly consists of exactly this) 2. Being able to track EXACTLY where they go during an overshoot, even if it would be in a "blind spot" from a locked cockpit view 3. Being able to keep sight of the bandit even when they are in cold-side lag/low six positions-this is what makes #1 possible, and 3. Being able to keep sight of both the bandit and the tracer stream in extreme blind-lead shots.

So, no external views for the MA, and I don't really see why they exist in the DA.

[danny76]

-1 to this wish.

Should be removed from Da also

[olds442]

See Rule #4

[nrshida]

See Rule #4

[danny76]

See Rule #4

[CASHEW]

Hi Cashew,

I did for six months, but I just came back to fly FSO mostly with a little practice time in the MA

No more Rough Puppies though

You should find me man. Miss my old friend!!! 

[kappa]

Not fly F3 mode solely! I think that you could rig a button for a snap shot view from front to rear... see through the seat back that way, the whole tail for that matter. No need to side slip and waste E. Snapshot when con passes under u, again, retain your E with no aircraft movement. Also trac-ir seems to have a blind spot just aft of straight up, again a possible snapshot for a cure.

I'll just say imo I don't believe one would have time/need to switch to F3 to ck6 in a 1v1.. In reality, if you're looking for the opponent in blind spots on your 6, you're already dead...

[kappa]

You or I would, because every trained instinct we have is orientating the fight from inside the cockpit. Someone accustomed to using F3, I am not so sure this is true. Of course, they would be lost themselves as soon as they were forced into a locked cockpit.

I've done the base defense with buff things a bit, and it seems to me like F3 has some potentials that just don't exist in a locked cockpit such as 1. Being able to simply "fly around" where their nose is aiming for gun defense in a manner difficult or impossible from the cockpit. (Difficult one to explain clearly, but a lot of guns defense in the furball lake in fighters certainly consists of exactly this) 2. Being able to track EXACTLY where they go during an overshoot, even if it would be in a "blind spot" from a locked cockpit view 3. Being able to keep sight of the bandit even when they are in cold-side lag/low six positions-this is what makes #1 possible, and 3. Being able to keep sight of both the bandit and the tracer stream in extreme blind-lead shots.

So, no external views for the MA, and I don't really see why they exist in the DA.

Yea, i use f3 in bombers for sure.. For instance an A20.. I'll use F3 to see someone coming up behind but the second I start to maneuver I'm back in the cockpit just for proper orientation..

Don't misunderstand me, F3 could be a learned ability.. My only point is the better 1v1r's wouldn't bother and it would end up being a negative if they tried.. The cockpit guy will win majority.. I guess we could find whomever thinks they are the best F3 dueler and we'll find who the best cockpit dueler is.. Sunsfan at the moment.. Let'em go at it and see how it falls.. lol

Maybe I was taking a poke at the non-dueling nancys that cry F3 a little too.. 8)

[muzik]

I'll just say imo I don't believe one would have time/need to switch to F3 to ck6 in a 1v1.. In reality, if you're looking for the opponent in blind spots on your 6, you're already dead...

Haven't caught all of this conversation, but with macros you don't need any extra time. You could program an f3 macro to a single key that checked six in f3 and goes right back to f1 when you release.

As for f3 being an advantage or not, it is! The reason most can't see/understand that is because of comparative pilot skill levels. I know of a couple of fairly talented F3 sticks that did/do fly the DA, When I have found them in the MA, their skill level is noticeably less.

F3 has no place in the MA except for bombers. Don't care for it in the DA either.

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