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Offline Blinder

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Italian Hardware
« on: April 14, 2014, 08:04:04 PM »
I'd like to see some tankettes like the L3/35



And some of their primo armor like the L5/21 and L5/30



the Carro Armato L6/40



the Carro Armato Celere Sahariano M16/43



the Fiat-Ansaldo M11/39



the Fiat-Ansaldo M13/40



and the Carro Armato P 40



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Re: Italian Hardware
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2014, 08:20:08 PM »
I wonder how Italian and Japanese tanks would do if ranged against one another?

I doubt they are more than a speed bump for German, Russian, British or American armored fighting vehicles.

I wouldn't mind seeing some added, but it would likely be good to start with the absolute best they fielded.
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Re: Italian Hardware
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2014, 08:23:39 PM »
I wonder how Italian and Japanese tanks would do if ranged against one another?

I doubt they are more than a speed bump for German, Russian, British or American armored fighting vehicles.

I wouldn't mind seeing some added, but it would likely be good to start with the absolute best they fielded.
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Re: Italian Hardware
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2014, 08:27:28 PM »
I wonder how Italian and Japanese tanks would do if ranged against one another?

I doubt they are more than a speed bump for German, Russian, British or American armored fighting vehicles.

I wouldn't mind seeing some added, but it would likely be good to start with the absolute best they fielded.

If the early American and Germans were added, they would be almost as bad as the early Japanese and Italians. The Matilda, Pz35, B1 & H35 would be some of the best early tanks. The Brit and the French have heavy armor that many of the older tanks would struggle to pen.

The M3 Grant/lee would be only have the 37mm that would fire AP.

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Re: Italian Hardware
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2014, 08:32:33 PM »
Looks like the Type 3 Chi-Nu would have been fairly competitive with the Carro Armato P 40.  The Japanese even built more of them than the Italians did of P 40, however the Japanese also reserved them for the defense of the home islands so they didn't technically see combat.  Given they were in service in 1944 and would hardly be imbalancing that might be something that could reasonably be waived.

The Type 4 Chi-To would have been pretty parable with an M4, but they only completed two production models of those and it obviously never saw service.

If the early American and Germans were added, they would be almost as bad as the early Japanese and Italians. The Matilda, Pz35, B1 & H35 would be some of the best early tanks. The Brit and the French have heavy armor that many of the older tanks would struggle to pen.

The M3 Grant/lee would be only have the 37mm that would fire AP.
Both the Carro Armato P 40 and the Type 3 Chi-Nu had 75mm  guns.  Mediocre 75mm guns, but still 75mm guns.  Either would be effective against Panzer IIIs or Grants.
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Re: Italian Hardware
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2014, 08:37:28 PM »






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Re: Italian Hardware
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2014, 02:07:02 PM »
See all of these would be great for the early war area and may even draw a bigger crowd than 2 or 3 players at a time in there. That is my intent. I would love to take part in some early war action with all of these machines. and even some early and pre war Soviet tanks too like:

The T-24



the T-28



the T-25



this one would be fun for you and a few friends! Everyone grab a position and off we go!

and, of course, the speedy little BT family of tanks including the 2,5,7 & 7M.



I'd be using that little hot rod quite a bit in the early and mid war .... heck I'd use it in the late war too! :rock
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Re: Italian Hardware
« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2014, 03:07:46 PM »
lol most of them look like pratice targets for the M8.
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Re: Italian Hardware
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2014, 05:06:16 PM »
For these tanks to work in the MA, you would have to spreed the eny out to 0-200. FT-17s would be 200 eny and Tiger 2 would be 2 eny. So if by some miracle you took out a T2 with a FT-17 you would earn buckets of perks, but the super easy target for the Tiger would be worth .02.

Its the only way I could see these 1917-1939 designed tanks getting used at all in the MA. unlike a Biplane that could still hurt a P-51 if the Pony was silly enough to try to turn with it, a FT-17 has no chance of killing a heavy late war tank.

Both the Carro Armato P 40 and the Type 3 Chi-Nu had 75mm  guns.  Mediocre 75mm guns, but still 75mm guns.  Either would be effective against Panzer IIIs or Grants.

Yeah Japan started to mount decent tank weapons a little late but they were getting better.

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Re: Italian Hardware
« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2014, 05:38:51 PM »
lol most of them look like pratice targets for the M8.

The BT-7 could handle an M8 with little problem.

And I am not asking for these in the late war main. I want them for the early and mid war.
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Re: Italian Hardware
« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2014, 06:04:34 PM »
And I am not asking for these in the late war main. I want them for the early and mid war.


Apart from the fact that there is almost no-one in ether of those areas, the Difference between late WW1-1935 designs and true early war tanks like the Matilda/T-34 & PzIV would be like taking a M8 and fighting a Jagpanther at 4000 yards. Without a perk spreed it would not matter what area you were in.

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Re: Italian Hardware
« Reply #11 on: April 15, 2014, 06:08:40 PM »
In case of the EW vehicles, it would pretty much be a case of whoever hits first wins.

That being said, the USSR is automatically at a pretty sever disadvantage. Their 45mm gun is also pretty underwhelming; the German 37mm does about as well, and the US 37mm beats both pretty damn significantly.

However, the M8 is so weakly armored that either will kill it pretty much instantly.
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Re: Italian Hardware
« Reply #12 on: April 15, 2014, 08:36:16 PM »
Any idea how the Japanese Type 1 47mm tank gun compared to the Russian, German, American and British offerings around that size?

Would the Type 1 Chi-He be competitive with those other light tanks?
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Re: Italian Hardware
« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2014, 03:01:30 AM »
It wouldn't do too badly. Better than the BT's, T-26, early Panzer III's, and the Italian light tanks. But it would be worse than the M3 and later marks of the Panzer III.

I'd say a III G would be about equal, but a J2 would be better by a fairly significant degree. An L would beat the crap out of any EW light tank, some mediums, and most MW light tanks
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Re: Italian Hardware
« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2014, 03:17:25 AM »
Any idea how the Japanese Type 1 47mm tank gun compared to the Russian, German, American and British offerings around that size?

Would the Type 1 Chi-He be competitive with those other light tanks?

The Type1 was developed by the Japanese based on their experience against the Soviets during the Battles of Khalkhin Gol.  In terms of performance, it wasn't as good as the Allied counterparts but it was still used to good effect against Sherman tanks during the island campaigns.

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