a successful "failed" execution in Oklahoma!

[danny76]

Is a murder more valuable dead, or as a living example to learn what drives people to commit these terrible crimes? It almost seems a disservice to the victims if we can't learn how to stop this happening in the future.

Hmmm, thought about it, I still say top him. Do we really need to know that the guy committed these crimes because he was a nutball? You could still end him and know this is the case.

Honestly for all the cuddly, social experimentation, psychobabbling that goes on in todays justice systems, we  still haven't managed to stop evil little buggers from murdering people simply because they enjoy the way it makes them feel.

You will never stop crime, whether it be petty theft, or rape and murder. The population of the world are breeding at an exponential rate, the majority of these kids will grow up and live their lives with no issues, some will be great, some will be scum, studying why someone has a poorly wired melon is not going to remove the scum factor any more than you are going to remove the percentile that becomes something amazing.

[sunfan1121]

Hmmm, thought about it, I still say top him. Do we really need to know that the guy committed these crimes because he was a nutball? You could still end him and know this is the case.

Honestly for all the cuddly, social experimentation, psychobabbling that goes on in todays justice systems, we  still haven't managed to stop evil little buggers from murdering people simply because they enjoy the way it makes them feel.

You will never stop crime, whether it be petty theft, or rape and murder. The population of the world are breeding at an exponential rate, the majority of these kids will grow up and live their lives with no issues, some will be great, some will be scum, studying why someone has a poorly wired melon is not going to remove the scum factor any more than you are going to remove the percentile that becomes something amazing.

  why stop at murders? Rapist destroy lives in the worst imaginable way. Why do they get a pass using that logic?

[Halo46]

Is a murder more valuable dead, or as a living example to learn what drives people to commit these terrible crimes? It almost seems a disservice to the victims if we can't learn how to stop this happening in the future.

So you are okay with doing medical experiments on them without their consent as part of their sentencing I take it? I am curious where the moral line is. He was punished for his crime, not every sentence is a deterrent nor should all be expected to be. I very much doubt that at any time in the future will your "cure" for fixing this behavior be found. I do like how you presume to know what every victims needs though, or even what they might want. I wish I were so wise. I do regret if this person suffered during their execution simply because it is not the purpose to make them suffer in the name of justice, it lowers the deed to their level. There should be a clear cut difference between a criminal act and a legal one.

[danny76]

  why stop at murders? Rapist destroy lives in the worst imaginable way. Why do they get a pass using that logic?

I never said that I thought they should get a pass. I would be happy for them to go the same way.

Rapists commit one of the most abhorrent acts, in some ways worse than murder, I would have not the first issue with them suffering the same punishment, whilst you are at it, throw in child molesters as well

[sunfan1121]

I never said that I thought they should get a pass. I would be happy for them to go the same way.

Rapists commit one of the most abhorrent acts, in some ways worse than murder, I would have not the first issue with them suffering the same punishment, whilst you are at it, throw in child molesters as well

Would you volunteer to swing the axe?

[sunfan1121]

So you are okay with doing medical experiments on them without their consent as part of their sentencing I take it? I am curious where the moral line is. He was punished for his crime, not every sentence is a deterrent nor should all be expected to be. I very much doubt that at any time in the future will your "cure" for fixing this behavior be found. I do like how you presume to know what every victims needs though, or even what they might want. I wish I were so wise. I do regret if this person suffered during their execution simply because it is not the purpose to make them suffer in the name of justice, it lowers the deed to their level. There should be a clear cut difference between a criminal act and a legal one.

Yes. Knowledge is power.

[MrRiplEy[H]]

So you are okay with doing medical experiments on them without their consent as part of their sentencing I take it?

Mengele also had great success in doing human tests with prisoners. 

[Bear76]

So you are okay with doing medical experiments on them without their consent as part of their sentencing I take it? I am curious where the moral line is. He was punished for his crime, not every sentence is a deterrent nor should all be expected to be. I very much doubt that at any time in the future will your "cure" for fixing this behavior be found. I do like how you presume to know what every victims needs though, or even what they might want. I wish I were so wise. I do regret if this person suffered during their execution simply because it is not the purpose to make them suffer in the name of justice, it lowers the deed to their level. There should be a clear cut difference between a criminal act and a legal one.

You're reading a lot into what he's saying that isn't there.

[GScholz]

A lot of people only see the punishment and deterrent part of the sentencing. "How to stop this from happening in the future..." Some people forget that a murder sentence also need to satisfy the vengeance for the family of the victim(s).

[GScholz]

On a personal note I must say I don't like this needle and gas business. I think the firing squad and the gallows were better.

[Rich46yo]

Mengele also had great success in doing human tests with prisoners. 

A four-time felon, Lockett was convicted of shooting 19-year-old Stephanie Neiman with a sawed-off shotgun and watching as two accomplices buried her alive in rural Kay County in 1999 after Neiman and a friend arrived at a home the men were robbing.

Can you figure out the difference or do I have to explain it to you?

[danny76]

Would you volunteer to swing the axe?

Quite honestly, without a hint of compunction

[MrRiplEy[H]]

Can you figure out the difference or do I have to explain it to you?

Also Mengeles prisoners were found guilty at their law system. That is not the point. Either you justify human trials that bring suffering or you don't. Keep in mind that it's estimated that dozens of people not guilty to the crimes they were charged with have also been executed. Do they earn to suffer also, on top of being executed innocent?

[Rich46yo]

Also Mengeles prisoners were found guilty at their law system. That is not the point. Either you justify human trials that bring suffering or you don't. Keep in mind that it's estimated that dozens of people not guilty to the crimes they were charged with have also been executed. Do they earn to suffer also, on top of being executed innocent?

 

JERUSALEM — One witness described how Nazi Dr. Josef Mengele ripped an infant from its mother`s womb, then hurled it into an oven because it wasn`t a twin as he had hoped. Another told of killing her newborn infant rather than let it starve in a Mengele experiment. A third witness recounted how Mengele kept hundreds of human eyes pinned to his lab wall ``like a collection of butterflies.``

One by one about 30 survivors of the Auschwitz concentration camp related their accounts of Nazi horror to a packed auditorium at Jerusalem`s Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial. Mengele is accused of sending 400,000 Jews to their death at Auschwitz from 1943 to 1945. But these survivors were kept alive because they were twins, and he wanted them for medical experiments aimed at creation of an Aryan superrace.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1985-02-07/news/8501080137_1_josef-mengele-israel-and-west-germany-auschwitz

If you'd like I could fill pages about Mengele's victims and let YOU tell me what they were guilty of. Also there is a difference between an accident delivering justice to a vicious condemned murderer and the intentional torture and murder of completely innocent human beings. Boy Ripley you have said some dumb things in the past but this does take the cake.

[RotBaron]

Quite honestly, without a hint of compunction

Me too.

As a victim of murder, my brother was stolen from us by meth-heads, I can quite honestly say this guy in OK, he got off easy, 10mins of suffering (maybe, clenching teeth is no cognitive indication) compared to the lifetime of suffering he inflicted on others and coupled with terror and horror on his victims.  

Yah lets give em tv and magazines and nice walks in the court yard on sunny days when their victims see the inside of a pine box.

Get a rope, no hood necessary - I'd like to look em in the eyes.