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Offline BnZs

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Re: Ye Gods... I thought P-47 was monster...
« Reply #60 on: May 05, 2014, 06:27:16 PM »
Not me.  They are very interesting planes, but a bunch of them don't have much performance data, so the modeling would be based on guesses.  Also, it would suck a lot of the player base away from the aircraft that really did fight in WWII.

I like HTC's criterion:  it had to be in service in WWII.

The P-51H was once on a poll for inclusion. Frankly it would be great to have a perkable AAF plane. I think some "nearly saw service in WWII and saw real service post-war" deal could be okay.
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Re: Ye Gods... I thought P-47 was monster...
« Reply #61 on: May 05, 2014, 06:44:58 PM »
I can think of many allied and specially Axis "nearly made it" planes, but ww2 arena would die 4-ever, and the mid-war planes would be on the scenario scrapheap.
No thanks.


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Re: Ye Gods... I thought P-47 was monster...
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Re: Ye Gods... I thought P-47 was monster...
« Reply #63 on: May 06, 2014, 12:15:32 AM »
I agree with this.  I know there needs to be a line drawn at some point as to what should or shouldn't be in the game, but I would like to see some of the aircraft included that almost made it into the war, like the Do-335, F-8F, F-7F, P-63, P-80 and others as long as there is enough data available to model them accurately.  No drawing board fantasy planes mind you, just those that were actually built and were reasonably close to becoming operational or seeing combat in WWII.  If its fun who cares if its not absolutely historically accurate.  Much of the game is not historically accurate as it is, so I don't see that as a defining criteria for whether any plane should be included or not.

Keep in mind that the F8F-1, F7F-1/F7F-2N, P-63A and P-51H were all operational, in squadron service... The P-63A saw combat. The others were just days away from action. When Japan surrendered in mid August, 1945, Marine Tigercats on Okinawa, P-51H on Iwo Jima and the F8F on carriers two days sailing from joining Halsey's 3rd fleet. F8Fs were part of the Tokyo Bay fly-over when the surrender was signed.
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Re: Ye Gods... I thought P-47 was monster...
« Reply #64 on: May 06, 2014, 10:46:06 AM »
A '46 arena might attract some market share. *Shrug*
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Re: Ye Gods... I thought P-47 was monster...
« Reply #65 on: May 06, 2014, 02:30:50 PM »
I can think of many allied and specially Axis "nearly made it" planes, but ww2 arena would die 4-ever, and the mid-war planes would be on the scenario scrapheap.
No thanks.

That's what the perk system is for...
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Re: Ye Gods... I thought P-47 was monster...
« Reply #66 on: May 06, 2014, 03:14:49 PM »
I can think of many allied and specially Axis "nearly made it" planes, but ww2 arena would die 4-ever, and the mid-war planes would be on the scenario scrapheap.
No thanks.




Its already on the scrap heap. A 1946 arena would also include ALL airplanes with 1946 planes perked, or most of them. Even better "Bought"! That way you want a Bear Cat then give AH $19.99 for one, or more.

Combat flight nuts are like waterfowlers. They will buy anything flight related. I guarantee you I would spend money on some 1946 planes.
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Re: Ye Gods... I thought P-47 was monster...
« Reply #67 on: May 06, 2014, 07:13:12 PM »
Its already on the scrap heap. A 1946 arena would also include ALL airplanes with 1946 planes perked, or most of them. Even better "Bought"! That way you want a Bear Cat then give AH $19.99 for one, or more.

Combat flight nuts are like waterfowlers. They will buy anything flight related. I guarantee you I would spend money on some 1946 planes.

I would too. I spent money on stupid war thunder crap...
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Re: Ye Gods... I thought P-47 was monster...
« Reply #68 on: May 06, 2014, 07:52:38 PM »
Its already on the scrap heap. A 1946 arena would also include ALL airplanes with 1946 planes perked, or most of them. Even better "Bought"! That way you want a Bear Cat then give AH $19.99 for one, or more.

Combat flight nuts are like waterfowlers. They will buy anything flight related. I guarantee you I would spend money on some 1946 planes.

Introducing paying with real money for gear into Aces High would be a mistake. The lack of such crap in here is one of the attractive aspects of the game.
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Re: Ye Gods... I thought P-47 was monster...
« Reply #69 on: May 06, 2014, 08:02:19 PM »
Introducing paying with real money for gear into Aces High would be a mistake. The lack of such crap in here is one of the attractive aspects of the game.

Yes, but, look at the success of WT... As with the pusher, they gave the first taste for free. The rest is for good stuff.

I've got a friend in fl who refuses to pay a monthly to play ah but was happy to buy upgrades in WT.

What it takes: a means to enable the cheap to rationalize spending money.
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Re: Ye Gods... I thought P-47 was monster...
« Reply #70 on: May 06, 2014, 08:13:44 PM »
A $15 dollar gate is much more fair than basically buying advantage. One of the best things about Aces High is the basically level nature of it all.
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Re: Ye Gods... I thought P-47 was monster...
« Reply #71 on: May 07, 2014, 09:55:11 AM »
Introducing paying with real money for gear into Aces High would be a mistake. The lack of such crap in here is one of the attractive aspects of the game.

Attractive? Using LWA K/D stats we have lost 62% of the player base since 2008. Even the loss from 2013 to 2014 for APR was 645,919 in 2013 and 510,039 for 2014.

"Attractive" seems to be a relative term.
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Re: Ye Gods... I thought P-47 was monster...
« Reply #72 on: May 07, 2014, 10:08:25 AM »
It's dying, BnZ. I think Rich is right. It needs a business model that works.
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Re: Ye Gods... I thought P-47 was monster...
« Reply #73 on: May 07, 2014, 10:15:12 AM »
It's not the business model, it's the audience and the graphics mostly.  After that I'd say the difficulty/learning curve (incl player competitiveness) and size of planeset (incl outliers like 51H, F7F, etc).
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Re: Ye Gods... I thought P-47 was monster...
« Reply #74 on: May 07, 2014, 10:51:13 AM »
It's not the business model, it's the audience and the graphics mostly.  After that I'd say the difficulty/learning curve (incl player competitiveness) and size of planeset (incl outliers like 51H, F7F, etc).

Graphics: maybe... Audience? How do you figure when a crap game like WT draws so many? the biggest a:b diff b/w them and us is the revenue model. I've got at least 1 anecdotal data point of a guy who will not pay a subscription but will pay for upgrades.

The rest: i buy the planeset arg but think some level of difficulty saves us from arcade status.
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