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Offline GhostCDB

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6./JG5 109G2
« on: May 05, 2014, 01:26:31 PM »
This aircraft was flown by Knights Cross Holder, Hans Dobrich, in early 1943. Dobrich was a member of 6./JG5 "Eismeer" on the northern flank of the Eastern Front in Finland. Yellow theater markings with standard RLM 74/75 camouflage covered by faded or distempered winter whitewash, carrying shamrock emblem on fuselage.











I used RLM 79 because I was extremely confused as to if the entire plane was supposed to be standard RLM 74/75 or if that other color was a dark orange. I know one of the colors used was RLM 70 but that was from reading.

When I was looking further and into other skins within the squadron JG5, I saw that RLM 79 was used with whitewash skins in the Finland campaign in late 1942 early 1943 but I am not sure if this skin was one that used that color.

It is an easy fix as I have the layers separated, but I really just need clarity as to if it is supposed to be RLM 76 or is it correct as is.

Also, I tried doing what devil suggested with my whitewash skins in the past and making it RLM 75 and putting a light coat of RLM 21 over it but another question: is it too white in this image, should I dim the white more?
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Re: 6./JG5 109G2
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2014, 01:30:31 PM »
That is a great looking skin,



(underside grey should go all the way to the tail wheel from what I have seen.)
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Re: 6./JG5 109G2
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2014, 02:09:51 PM »
It looks nice, Ghost.

As far as the colors go. Standard day fighter color scheme is RLM 74(greygreen), 75(greyviolet), 76(lightgrey). RLM 79 is a light brown or tan used with RLM 78(light blue) on desert schemes. Many (not all) of Jg 5's 109F's and a few G-2's were built as Tropical versions from the factory. This G-2 is not a tropical build since the umbrella mounts on the side of the fuselage are not present, which means your use of desert colors is probably not correct. Also, your pattern of paint is not all that similar to the scheme in the photo. Check out Larry's (truekill) Jg 5 109G-2 for a better representation of how this scheme was applied to 109s.
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Re: 6./JG5 109G2
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2014, 03:16:43 PM »
It's pretty  :cool: You need to match some of the panel lines on the underbelly, as well as the camo paterns so it doesn't look like two fuselage sides glued together.
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Re: 6./JG5 109G2
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2014, 11:33:26 PM »
Pretty skin!  :aok

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Re: 6./JG5 109G2
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2014, 07:50:18 AM »
I appreciate it Ghost, excellent job! :aok

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Re: 6./JG5 109G2
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2014, 11:30:43 AM »
I know virtually nothing on skinning, but, after doing some more researching on the skin, I found an image that is most likely recreated 100% accurately since the pattern seems exactly the same as in the photo. There it shows that the colors used were the distempered white with RLM74/75 and a bit of scattered RLM79 spots on the nose and tail.

http://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Bf-109G/JG5.6-(Y10+-)-Dobrich/pages/Artwork-Bf-109G2-6.JG5-(Y10+-)-Hans-Dobrich-WNr-14800-GJ+QR-Finland-1943-0A.html
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Re: 6./JG5 109G2
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2014, 11:38:20 AM »
That is a great looking 109 skin.  Maybe not accurate, but they should have painted it that way  :D
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Re: 6./JG5 109G2
« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2014, 01:01:20 PM »
Revisiting this skin today.
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Re: 6./JG5 109G2
« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2014, 01:02:15 PM »
Kewl :)
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Re: 6./JG5 109G2
« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2014, 03:25:39 PM »
My gawd I am so in love with that skin.  I will use it every time!
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Re: 6./JG5 109G2
« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2014, 05:24:23 PM »










After taking in consideration the constructive criticism this is what I get.
I looked and looked for anything that explained the pattern, but I can't see where it wouldn't be a Tropical Scheme. Even other skinners have made the skin this color so I decided to leave it in the colors above.

Also as for the pattern itself I attempted to distemper the color a little by applying Gaussian Blur Filters and using a Soft Eraser on the edges but it just looked really messy so I toned it down by a lot.

I matched up the panel lines and colors a lot better, I just need to go back and re-add the oil streaks on the bottom of the aircraft as I erased them on the left side on accident.



Really hope you enjoy the skin as it was a headache to edit as I didn't save it in the correct format so I was forced to start from 50%.  :bhead



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Re: 6./JG5 109G2
« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2014, 05:41:47 PM »

I looked and looked for anything that explained the pattern, but I can't see where it wouldn't be a Tropical Scheme. Even other skinners have made the skin this color so I decided to leave it in the colors above.


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Re: 6./JG5 109G2
« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2014, 06:10:28 PM »
I hate to be the bringer of bad news but it turns out this plane had zero brown on it.









What you're thinking of with the brown is Doberich's summer camoed Bf 109-F4, not the G2.



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Re: 6./JG5 109G2
« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2014, 06:19:15 PM »
They did have tropical G-2's however and this is why you might have the brown but it didn't look like that. "The plane had the yellow wing tips and the yellow underside of the cowling. The colour scheme showed unequally blotches of RLM 70 over a white winter temper colour. At this time the colours faded away and the normal surface paint was revealed.

Because the majority of the Bf-109 G-2 Models delivered to Jagdgeschwader 5 was tropical version the upper surfaces was painted in RLM 79 sand brown."

If any brown were to show up, it should look something like this but probably more minimal for this particular aircraft. Here is a version of Ehrler's.



If you want the worn look of it, put the brown in but still make it more...blotchy and less like they painted it on that way or around it. If you want the fresh to the front look (like the photos from my first post) then make it with zero tan.
« Last Edit: June 16, 2014, 06:21:18 PM by scarecrw »
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