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Offline DREDIOCK

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Messerschmitt Bf.109
« on: May 12, 2014, 07:03:40 PM »
Almost an hour and a half long. A couple of restored 109's

Good stuff!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbeRn1rgoIo
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Offline Groth

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Re: Messerschmitt Bf.109
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2014, 07:14:22 PM »
 I read, somewheres..there were two dentists in Minn who built identical 1:1 Bf109Es...and decided they would both be donated to a museum so they wouldn't worry of someone else flying and dying in them...can't find diddly on them now.
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Re: Messerschmitt Bf.109
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2014, 07:14:53 PM »
 BTW..nice post.
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Re: Messerschmitt Bf.109
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2014, 08:48:31 PM »
awesome frigging video!!! great find!
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Re: Messerschmitt Bf.109
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2014, 01:49:29 AM »
Nice!

I especially liked the interview with one of the guys who worked on the restoration.
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Re: Messerschmitt Bf.109
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2014, 11:19:39 AM »
Quote from: Groth on May 12, 2014, 07:14:22 PM
I read, somewheres..there were two dentists in Minn who built identical 1:1 Bf109Es...and decided they would both be donated to a museum so they wouldn't worry of someone else flying and dying in them...can't find diddly on them now.
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Was one of the dentists named Zell? ;)
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Re: Messerschmitt Bf.109
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2014, 05:05:56 PM »
 Gonna look for that...
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Re: Messerschmitt Bf.109
« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2014, 04:28:12 PM »
Thanks for posting :aok

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Re: Messerschmitt Bf.109
« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2014, 06:32:43 PM »
 Assume video. Love the engine sounds
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Re: Messerschmitt Bf.109
« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2014, 07:50:29 PM »
What I found interesting was his description of landing. He noted that once the bird touched down a great deal of flight control was lost. The technique was to do a 3-point landing, with a fixed tailwheel it kept the bird point straight down the runway.

If I remember correctly about 1/3 of all Me-109s crashed on takeoff or landing. Makes sense!
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Re: Messerschmitt Bf.109
« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2014, 09:51:45 PM »
 'Some' have stated the 1/3 lost was a buncha BS... one guy said moving around a splayed wheel early 109 resulted in scretching tires and marks on floor of hanger...
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Re: Messerschmitt Bf.109
« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2014, 10:24:37 PM »
Quote from: mthrockmor on May 18, 2014, 07:50:29 PM
He noted that once the bird touched down a great deal of flight control was lost.

I'm just wondering why you'd need a great deal of flight control once you've touched down.  Doesn't touching down imply you've stopped fllying?   :headscratch:
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Re: Messerschmitt Bf.109
« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2014, 01:28:20 AM »
The 1/3 accident losses claim is complete bollocks.
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Re: Messerschmitt Bf.109
« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2014, 06:54:46 AM »
A 109 should always be three-pointed. Its wheel geometry isn't designed for tail-high landings. And never operate a 109 from tarmac, only from grass or dirt fields.

Like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO9mEv5Ve54

In Russia the Luftwaffe operated in terrible conditions: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tp4ChYkkGSg


Here's a 109F taking off in mud and snow somewhere in Russia in the spring of 1942:



Still their losses to take off and landing accidents were low, around 5% for both the 109 and 190.
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Re: Messerschmitt Bf.109
« Reply #14 on: May 19, 2014, 07:41:30 AM »
Quote from: GScholz on May 19, 2014, 06:54:46 AM
Still their losses to take off and landing accidents were low, around 5% for both the 109 and 190.


Source?  I have also read that the Luftwaffe accident rate was dreadful, even worse than the Allied rate (which was bad enough and well over 1/3).

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