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[artik]

I want to run an interesting game: build an air force for virtual country based on the planes available in AH - but with their real properties:

For example Me-262 had problematic engines - not AH ones. The Me-163 would blown up frequently on the ground and had very long turnaround time.

The constrains:

- Think you would fly this planes as well - so no "cannon fodder"
- Think of fixed budget - if you want all the bombers be B-29 it they would drink your budget in both planes as fuel
- Think of real world reliability
- Think of real world flying and no AH
- Prepare the force for both defense and offense, from the sea attack and from the ground
- No need to create navy, or transportation arms (AH has quite few capable naval planes and only 1 cargo plane)
- Provide the rationale for the selection


As a reference, samples of WW2 prices:

B-29   US$639,188
B-17   US$238,329
Mustang US$50,985
Lanc   £45-50,000 ~ $200,000



My own selection:

Me-262 - 35% - air superiority and interception - also it is a dangerous plane and has many maintenance problem, but its clear superiority overcomes other problems and costs. Also jet fuel is more affordable than avgas.

P-51D - 15% - long range escort and close support - most capable fighter with long range and decent bomb load

Ar-234 - 5% - almost uninterceptable recon and pin-point strike

B-29 - 5% - very long range strike for special missions - small numbers due to high cost.

Mosquito XVI - 35% - long range recon, tactical and strategical bomber - much cheaper than B-17 & others, much more survivable due to high speed and yet has decent bomb load - comparable to B-17.

F4U-1C - 15% - close air support that does not require escort. It has radial engine making it much more survivable, it has 4 canons that are great for strafing, good ord load.

[SilverZ06]

I'm pretty sure this has already been done. ...... in WWII.

[artik]

I'm pretty sure this has already been done. ...... in WWII.

In WWII we had constrains, unequal resources, different goals and strategy. More than that - they hadn't learned WW2 lessons yet 

[Saxman]

Amazed you'd take the F4U-1C over the -4, which is a dramatically better performer.

[artik]

Amazed you'd take the F4U-1C over the -4, which is a dramatically better performer.

Yes but 4x20mm hispanos are much more efficient against soft targets - it is ground support role. I'd take Templest if it had radial engine, but with liquid cooled engine it is prone to even small caliber ground fire.

[caldera]

I would forgo heavy bombers entirely and stick with a tactical bombing campaign.

Bombers: B-26, A-20, Mossie XVI

Ground attack:  P-47D-40, Mossie VI, Hellcat

Escort: P-51D

Interceptor: P-47M, La-7, Spit VIII

[Plawranc]

I would forgo heavy bombers entirely and stick with a tactical bombing campaign.

Bombers: B-26, A-20, Mossie XVI

Ground attack:  P-47D-40, Mossie VI, Hellcat

Escort: P-51D

Interceptor: P-47M, La-7, Spit VIII

You know..... I think someone else thought of that idea. As far as I recall it didn't end well.

[Lusche]

I would need much more information about the strategic situation... you now, geography, probable opponents and such stuff. No airforce is built in a total vacuum

[Arlo]

I would need much more information about the strategic situation... you now, geography, probable opponents and such stuff. No airforce is built in a total vacuum

Now you're just sayin' that because of the air part. 



The upcoming scenario excited me because I thought it would include an element that ROC and I had discussed earlier - an
Axis and Allies style of play where COs on each side used points (bucks) to procure their planes, GVs and fleets for each frame. They would also use those logistical points to conduct research and development. Will the Germans develop and build the 262 sooner? I would anticipate that would be tried. Would the Americans do the same with the B-29? The British with the Spit XVI? The Russians with the TU-2 or LA-7? The Japanese with the Nikki? The Italians with .... erm .....

 

[GScholz]

Me-262 - 35% - air superiority and interception - also it is a dangerous plane and has many maintenance problem, but its clear superiority overcomes other problems and costs. Also jet fuel is more affordable than avgas.

You overstate the problems. The 262 was easy to fly, and very easy to maintain. Engines lasted for only 5-6 sorties, but were easy to replace. The problem was producing enough engines with Germany's war situation. Your fantasy air force does not have that problem, or it would also affect all your other aircraft.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxRR2KgY5mo

[caldera]

You know..... I think someone else thought of that idea. As far as I recall it didn't end well.

You are so right.  All they needed were B-29s and KC-135s to refuel them over the Atlantic (and Siberia) and they would have won for sure!

[ROC]

an element that ROC and I had discussed earlier

That is in the development stage at this time Arlo.  It's a very complex and intriguing design concept.  I'm testing some things in this particular scenario that support the underlying framework that a resource based event would require.
If, for example, the COs can handle plane allocations over simple "2 life" restrictions, then we have opened the door to "here's 25.5 Billion Dollars, and planes cost x,y or z, have a blast". 

We peaked the scenario design concepts as they were formed, so now, we are at the base level of the new foundation, and we go up from here  

[Arlo]

That is in the development stage at this time Arlo.  It's a very complex and intriguing design concept.  I'm testing some things in this particular scenario that support the underlying framework that a resource based event would require.
If, for example, the COs can handle plane allocations over simple "2 life" restrictions, then we have opened the door to "here's 25.5 Billion Dollars, and planes cost x,y or z, have a blast". 

We peaked the scenario design concepts as they were formed, so now, we are at the base level of the new foundation, and we go up from here  

Ohhhh yeah (BIG smile) 

[Skuzzy]

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