Ki-84

[JUGgler]

Ki84 look funny when it lose the elevators at high speed.

The 4*20mm would be a nice perked option.

   Do this and it would be the best ride in the game. As it is now the Hayate is easily in the top 5, maybe the top 3 most capable. The hi speed handling issue is a "NON ISSUE" for a plane that can equalize E so efficiently and quickly.

It is possibly #1 in rides when facing multiple or "horde" threats.



JUGgler

[Butcher]

   Do this and it would be the best ride in the game. As it is now the Hayate is easily in the top 5, maybe the top 3 most capable. The hi speed handling issue is a "NON ISSUE" for a plane that can equalize E so efficiently and quickly.

It is possibly #1 in rides when facing multiple or "horde" threats.
JUGgler

I always admired the Hayate, I usually flew 2-3 main rides per tour, the Ki-84 was always one of them, whether I was in the c.205 or P-38 the Ki-84 was my "Go to" ride.

[caldera]

The Ki-84 was my trainer ride.  It is already very capable and doesn't need any more cannons.

[Butcher]

The Ki-84 was my trainer ride.  It is already very capable and doesn't need any more cannons.

bad news for you, the Ki-84c flew in combat strength with 4x 20mms.

[Karnak]

bad news for you, the Ki-84c flew in combat strength with 4x 20mms.

b, not c.  c would have had two 20mm and two 30mm cannons, but that one never saw combat.  Seems to have never seen testing with two 30mm cannons even.

[caldera]

bad news for you, the Ki-84c flew in combat strength with 4x 20mms.

How is that bad news for me? 

[Tracerfi]

The Ki-84 is OP and should be nerfed.

The wep is OP.

I may be wrong but i thought Hitech said that planes would not be changed without evidence that says it is wrong

[Butcher]

b, not c.  c would have had two 20mm and two 30mm cannons, but that one never saw combat.  Seems to have never seen testing with two 30mm cannons even.

I always thought it was the C, i get those mixed up, there was a prototype built, problem was the 30mms were not developed so it eventually converted back to 4x 20mms for homeland defense.

ironically there is a photo out there that shows a destroyed japanese airfield with the C model in the background, far as I know it was never flown in combat.

[Tinkles]

While I do like the Ki-84 and don't think anything is wrong with it, although it can take a beating.  I think that the 4x20mm would, obviously, be perked.  As for the price, I would say between 40-75 perks. I'd think that as fair. Considering the tempest has 4 20mm and packs a punch, but isn't on the 'same level' as the ki84 for dogfighting.

[Karnak]

While I do like the Ki-84 and don't think anything is wrong with it, although it can take a beating.  I think that the 4x20mm would, obviously, be perked.  As for the price, I would say between 40-75 perks. I'd think that as fair. Considering the tempest has 4 20mm and packs a punch, but isn't on the 'same level' as the ki84 for dogfighting.

Tempest can escape, Ki-84 cannot from many free aircraft.  The inability to escape is what made the Spit XIV such a poor perk plane.

I have no objection to the Ki-84-Ib being perked, but it ought to be in the 2 to 5 perk point range.

[Tinkles]

Tempest can escape, Ki-84 cannot from many free aircraft.  The inability to escape is what made the Spit XIV such a poor perk plane.

I have no objection to the Ki-84-Ib being perked, but it ought to be in the 2 to 5 perk point range.

*shrug*

I guess I'm not really qualified to speak on matters such as these really, having been out of the game for nearly 7 months now. 

 

[FLOOB]

[Rich46yo]

Tempest can escape, Ki-84 cannot from many free aircraft.  The inability to escape is what made the Spit XIV such a poor perk plane.

I have no objection to the Ki-84-Ib being perked, but it ought to be in the 2 to 5 perk point range.

Shouldnt be perked no more then the C-Hog.

[BnZs]

Shouldnt be perked no more then the C-Hog.

A Ki-84 is the better of a C/D Hog is most respects related to dogfighting. If anything, a 4-cannon should have a higher perk price.

[Zerstorer]

The Ki84 is a Spit16 with a Japanese logo.  Anyone who says otherwise is either deluding themselves or being intentionally dishonest. 

One could argue the Ki84 is a better plane in many respects.  Consider the following: 

- Ki84 guns are less accurate but have more ammo. 
- Ki84 is far better than the Spit16 in the durability department
- Both have similar handling characteristics.  Turn and roll rate slightly favors the Spitteen but its slight. 
- Speed is almost identical between the two below 10K (i.e. where most MA fights take place).
- The Spittteen climbs better, but it's not like the Ki84 is a P39 in that department.

Thus why I chuckle when I hear Ki84 regulars rip pilots who fly the Spitteen.  Vanitas vanitatum omnia vanitas.

So why would we want a plane like this to have four 20mm cannons instead of two?  So the chest-pounders can have yet another ride to fly regularly, reap kills on baby seals and feel fantastic about themselves? 

Sorry.  But there are far more interesting planes out there I'd personally rather HTC spend time modeling than working on "supercharging" an already dominant plane.