Replacement for the Brew

[Wmaker]

44 of the F2A-1's (were they 1's? or 3's?) were delivered to Finland and given the designation B-239.  The Navy removed the tail hook, life raft, catapult harness, and the telescopic sight.  The engine was replaced with a 905HP Wright R-1820-G5 radial.  Finland got the empty weight down to around 3900 pounds (correct me if I am in error Wmaker), from the original empty weight of approximately 4700 pounds (I think that is correct).

NOTE:  The F2A-1 only had a 950HP Wright Cyclone R-1820-34 engine.  The F2A-2 had a 1200HP Wright Cyclone R-1820-40 engine.

Basically yes. Just couple of things. G5-Cyclone had a maximum output of 1000hp. And it is a bit of myth that "Finns reduced weight" because technically Brewster corp. before delivery removed all Navy property from the F2A-1s before delivery to bring them to "B239 spec", not Finns (I know you said that Navy did it, just a general comment for rest of the readers). Finns actually added weight to B239 a bit by installing pilot armor and .50 cal in the place of the .30 cal. It was the "Americans" (Brewster Corp.)  that added majority of the weight, rather than "Finns" that removed it, by developing F2A-1 into F2A-3. After all, the much heavier F2A-3 was basically on the drawing board when B239 were already being shipped to Finland.

[Coalcat1]

Did more flight testing again in it, was able to get it to 597mph for almost a minuet before it lost its vert, thus, if I added more fuel, I would have gotten it up to 600+ and would have been able to keep it together for around 20 secs. or so. Also got around a constant 4k climb at less than 150mph...

[Randy1]

Skuzzy and Wmaker thanks for answering my question. 

As long as AH's weight and horsepower  match Wmaker's numbers then there is not much more can be made of this since the drag coeficant would be unknown.  It would be easy to get these numbers mixed up with the engine swap outs and the changes made.

Wmaker, the wiki states the Fin's were successful against the Russian fighters.  What do you attribute this success against the Russian planes?  Better training?

[Karnak]

Did more flight testing again in it, was able to get it to 597mph for almost a minuet before it lost its vert, thus, if I added more fuel, I would have gotten it up to 600+ and would have been able to keep it together for around 20 secs. or so. Also got around a constant 4k climb at less than 150mph...

You filmed it of course, right?

[Karnak]

450-400 power on
47.56: Fw190D-9
7.56: Brewster

400-350 power on
NA.NA: Fw190D-9
11.84: Brewster

350-300 power on
NA.NA: Fw190D-9
29.53: Brewster

450-400 power off
6.69: Fw190D-9
3.51: Brewster

400-350 power off
7.44: Fw190D-9
5.18: Brewster

350-300 power off
8.38: Fw190D-9
5.62: Brewster

300-250 power off
9.47: Fw190D-9
6.87: Brewster

250-200 power off
10.41: Fw190D-9
8.31: Brewster

200-150 power off
10.43: Fw190D-9
9.50: Brewster

Fw190D-9 retains energy much better than the Brewster.

[bozon]

My only real complaint about the brew is that it seem to be able to take quite a lot of damage. Not at the BS level of the Yak3, but still one of the sturdiest planes.

[Wmaker]

My only real complaint about the brew is that it seem to be able to take quite a lot of damage. Not at the BS level of the Yak3, but still one of the sturdiest planes.

I might add that Bozon has done extensive testing of the said discrepancy and he's filmed it all. Please do correct me if I'm wrong, Bozon.

[Coalcat1]

450-400 power on
47.56: Fw190D-9
7.56: Brewster

400-350 power on
NA.NA: Fw190D-9
11.84: Brewster

350-300 power on
NA.NA: Fw190D-9
29.53: Brewster

450-400 power off
6.69: Fw190D-9
3.51: Brewster

400-350 power off
7.44: Fw190D-9
5.18: Brewster

350-300 power off
8.38: Fw190D-9
5.62: Brewster

300-250 power off
9.47: Fw190D-9
6.87: Brewster

250-200 power off
10.41: Fw190D-9
8.31: Brewster

200-150 power off
10.43: Fw190D-9
9.50: Brewster

Fw190D-9 retains energy much better than the Brewster.

You have proof that this is true in game, correct? If so, show the recording.

[Karnak]

I might add that Bozon has done extensive testing of the said discrepancy and he's filmed it all. Please do correct me if I'm wrong, Bozon.

He is probably right, but it isn't an aspect of the Brewster, it is caused by the damage model favoring small aircraft.  Since all aircraft have the same number of damage sections on things like wings and fuselages it is easier to drill through a single section on a P-38 than on a Yak-3 because your rounds are easier to concentrate on the P-38's inner wing than the Yak's.  On the Yak you "waste" damage by hitting adjacent damage areas more often than you do on the larger planes.  The B-29 has single damage areas that are larger than the entire Yak-3.

You have proof that this is true in game, correct? If so, show the recording.

From all those years ago?  No.   Do your own tests and post them.  You lied about the speeds you are getting and maintaining and are upset on being called out on it.  I have no such worries because I know if anybody duplicates my tests they will get very similar results.  I know this because I didn't fake my tests.

[Wmaker]

He is probably right, but it isn't an aspect of the Brewster, it is caused by the damage model favoring small aircraft.  Since all aircraft have the same number of damage sections on things like wings and fuselages it is easier to drill through a single section on a P-38 than on a Yak-3 because your rounds are easier to concentrate on the P-38's inner wing than the Yak's.  On the Yak you "waste" damage by hitting adjacent damage areas more often than you do on the larger planes.  The B-29 has single damage areas that are larger than the entire Yak-3

Oh...I don't deny or admit a thing. All I'm saying that in these discussions in general everything should be thoroughly tested and/or verified with primary sources/data, regardless of the plane. Everything.

And, for the record, the best single improvement to AH IMO would be a totally new state of the art damage model for aircraft.

[Coalcat1]

I did not lie, in a 20k dive on 25% fuel it will reach 597 mph for almost a minuet before it took any damage. With full fuel, it could get over 600 easly and sustain no damage, as I took the damage pulling out of the dive too hard. Now skuzzy, may I ask you to lock this thread, it has degraded too far at this point... The personal attacks and all...

[Saxman]

I did not lie, in a 20k dive on 25% fuel it will reach 597 mph for almost a minuet before it took any damage. With full fuel, it could get over 600 easly and sustain no damage, as I took the damage pulling out of the dive too hard. Now skuzzy, may I ask you to lock this thread, it has degraded too far at this point... The personal attacks and all...

Why is it so hard to send a film?

[Coalcat1]

Like I said, I didn't record that first of all, secondly, I can't since my computer has a problem with the internet, making it almost un-useable for said action. I am working on getting the film I mentioned a while ago

[Wmaker]

The personal attacks and all...

As long as you don't post single evidence about what you are saying (film?), you really don't have any leverage to squeal that you are being personally attacked.

[Coalcat1]

Like I said, I am working on the film right now, just asked a squadie for the film to be posted